What Islamic Ummah?

[phoenixdesi]

Re: What Islamic Ummah?

@SaeedinPakistan

It’s a good article for people who think rationally. Sadly, the religious lot ignore the realities of life and choose to believe that it’s not the concept of “Muslim Ummah” that is flawed just that people aren’t following the “right Islam” (whatever that is). They choose to believe the lie that all the woes of this world will end once everyone starts following their version of Islam.

Secularizing the country would be acceptance of the fact that Islam’s teachings on governance are flawed. No muslim will stand for that because they believe “Islam is the one true religion and it’s perfect”.

Doubting the concept of “Muslim ummah”, Islam in government or any other religious concept is akin to doubting religion itself. People are scared of doubting religion. They have good reason to be scared. Most muslims have been brainwashed, since childhood, into believing that they’ll be sentenced to eternal hell fire if they question allah’s existence or any of is commandments.

cant agree more … the best sentence is

*“they choose to believe that it’s not the concept of “Muslim Ummah” that is flawed just that people aren’t following the “right Islam” (whatever that is). They choose to believe the lie that all the woes of this world will end once everyone starts following their version of Islam”

• I dont know if this is a lie or not..maybe it is not a lie but the fact of the matter is that we dont have one single successful “Islamic” model for last 1500 years, which was acceptable to everyone and which finished all the problems. even 3 of 4 amirs (umar, usman and ali) were murdered and there was no peaceful transition. hazrat aisaha fought against hazrat ali and thousands of sahaba died in the war of jamal.

so if some thing has never happened, what does it mean? is it a mirage? may be but no one can talk about it

i am a muslim and follow all Muslim rituals to best of my ability but i believe in secularism because i care about other religions and i don’t see one religion better than other. i want the state constitution to be non-religious. does that mean I am not a Muslim?

a fellow poster has already wished me a tortured death…and most likely he is a doctor. this is what has happened to the educated elite of Pak. forget general masses. they will burn you.