What Islamic Ummah?

[SaeedinPakistan]

Re: What Islamic Ummah?

@Mystique

Tell me again why can an Islamic government not be a welfare state when that is what Islamic state is supposed to be? Or more importantly tell me why you and the ilk dont want to see an Islamic welfare state? Why a state MUST become secular or abandone any religion in order to become a welfare state? Not making sense to me.

All the issues with laws you have, have to do with incorrect understanding of Islam. That is why the focus of those incharge of state affairs must be to educate people with actual knowledge of Islam. Turning the state secular is least of the issues faced by state currently. Tell me how abondoning the religion is going to improve the lives of common people or magically turn the state into a welfare state??? If anything, it is going to create more big and small problems than offer any solutions. Need is to cleanse and purify the people living there, teach them good with the wualities of religion that are always ignored by the mainstream islamic scholars, not to tell them that religion is not important so if there have any bit of fear in their hearts and act good, they lose that too. Very very flawed and immature suggestion. Would do nothing for the common people. How do you think state turning secular is going to majorly improvise the current economic state, life standard, power shortage, create jobs, improve healthcare sector and fix all the problems faces by Pakistan currently? Tell me if a secular state is going to have thw same challenges as a muslim state in improving the lives of commo people then who are you suggesting to turn the state secular for? Whose interest is that going to serve???

It’s a matter of principle. Religion is a personal thing and it has no place in government affairs. How does that not make any sense? No one would stop you from practicing or preaching your religion in a secular state. The same can’t be said for people of other or no faiths who want to practice or preach. A person can convert from any religion from Islam but a Muslim can’t convert from Islam to any other religion. There is no semblance of equality.

My problem with Islam is lack of evidence for it’s claim that there is a god. That’s my problem with any religion. We can teach people good without the use of religion. One does not need to believe in an imaginary being in the sky to do good.