What is Zina?

Lifestyle Relationships
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was stuck in this conversation & atually it left me confused too, was thinking to post this in religion section (cos i think i will get more facts & refrences there but bcos of the nature of post i will have to post it here.)

  1. Does zina means actually “DO IT”? or being so close almost doing everything just “NOT DOING IT” is also a zina (e.g. reaching at the peak of pleasure with the help of partner but without actually doing it)?

Are both equal in panishment, praying for forgiveness or there is a diffrence.

  1. Is mustarbation equal to zina? or its not…whats is the diffrence.

This guy put on the point that its better to do musterbate rather then going for zina. but isnt musterbation haram itself ?

I will appreciate Refrences from Quran, Hadith, Fiqah, Or explanation of Scholars, please just dont put on the personal views.

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*I will appreciate Refrences from Quran, Hadith, Fiqah, Or explanation of Scholars, please just dont put on the personal views
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Dude, when u say that.. it automatically belongs in the copy-paste-i'll-have-the-last-word-and-then-my-likeminded-ahl-e-sunna-mod-will-delete-your-responses forum aka Religion.

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What PA said... there's no point in discussing these things with a religious point of view because if you have a non-orthodox islamic view, your posts tend to disappear.

[This message has been edited by aahmed (edited July 17, 2002).]

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No one knows ??

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JB, people here would rather not be told what they do could possibly be wrong. hence the silence.

on a separate note, zeena is a cute arabic girl in my evening class. too bad she uses everyone for assignments. girls

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Perhaps u r right, no one evn mentioned he/she dont know, or is intrested to know.

whatever, let this thread be lost in archaived database too.

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Zina is an arabic word (I think). It is generally used to mean "illicit sexual relations", i.e. sex with someone other than your spouse.

I am not a religious scholar, and by posting here, you probably don't even want to be bombarded with a lot of islamic references, so I will merely give my own view in simple terms. You are free to disagree or find out more.

The word "sex" is broadly defined, and therefore, "zina" is not merely physical sexual intercourse, but also includes other kinds of illicit sexual experiences, i.e. Zina of eyes, zina of ears and zina of thought etc.

To more clearly explain this, in my view, looking at nude or semi-nude people, pornographic websites, books, magazines, TV channels, all constitute zina of eyes. However, like most things, it also depends on the intention (niyyat). If you go on a beach and look at semi-naked women, it may constitue zina of eyes, but a doctor looking at the private parts of his patient for diagnosis of a disease is not a zina.

Masturbating in the privacy of your room, will generally entail reading, viewing, listening or at a minimum, thinking about sexual relations or pornographic material. Unless this activity is with your spouse, in most cases, it is zina of thought and/or zina of eyes.

ps. aahmed, no they don't. Atleast not here.

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yo dude Zina is a bad thing but u know some times.......and mustarbation is not zina on the other hand it is good for ur health u can extract waste from ur body. it is just a personal opinion or beleive it or not

"One eyed King in the land of the blind."

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Originally posted by AmericanDeSi:
**yo dude Zina is a bad thing but u know some times.......and mustarbation is not zina on the other hand it is good for ur health u can extract waste from ur body. it is just a personal opinion or beleive it or not

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"...extract WASTE from your body..."!!!!

Bhai kis cheez ka naam "masturbation" rakha hai?

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ZINa?? Isn't that that awefully tasking alcoholic drink that was supposed to supplant beer?

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ZINa?? Isn't that that awefully tasking alcoholic drink that was supposed to supplant beer?
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LMAO!!!

Thats ZIMA my friend!

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Originally posted by Faisal:
**Zina is an arabic word (I think). It is generally used to mean "illicit sexual relations", i.e. sex with someone other than your spouse.

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Means if some one have sex without intercourse , it ll be considered as Zina ?

because i am confused at the point when police charge accused in case of "Hadood", there they need medical certificate to prove the process of intercourse, (dont know what method they follow to check the intercourse)

So according to that theory Zina is something where Intercourse is necessry.Your theory is well explaning but i want to know that if pak's law agencies follow shirah as the hadood orid says and this is crime under islamic court ehy they need intercourse process to prove zina.

Ruja menu chud ke naa ja.........Please come back rujo

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Originally posted by schahzad:
**So according to that theory Zina is something where Intercourse is necessry.Your theory is well explaning but i want to know that if pak's law agencies follow shirah as the hadood orid says and this is crime under islamic court ehy they need intercourse process to prove zina.

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There are two aspects to this issue. The first is the legal implications. As per hadood law, the only zina they are concerned with is the actual physical intercourse. It is very difficult, almost impossible to prosecute or even investigate zina of mind, eyes or ears. So these are not part of the legal process, which you are referring to.

All the different kinds of zina, which I mentioned earlier, are important from a religious and moral stand-point. Please remember, that as muslims, it is our belief that there is an after-life, where we will be held accountable for all our deeds. All the different forms of sin (including all forms of zina) may not be prosecuted in this world, but we'll have to answer for those at the Day of Judgement.

Those who only worry about legal repercussions, need only confine the definition of "zina" to physical intercourse, and in some cases, with indecent exposure in a public place. In Pakistan, police frequently rounds up couples engaged in kissing or groping in a public place, as these are considered unacceptable under hadood ordinance. But that, I believe, is a whole different discussion.

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Thanx Point is clear Faisal bhai.

Schahzad Choudhry....Rujoo Chodrian ...

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Yes that is right. During the rule of Islam one was only punished from hudood for actual intercourse however one is sinful for eyes etc and should fear Allah.
Faizal seeing you know about the subject i would like to raise a question.
There are many ayats related to punishment for the fornicator.
Is someone a fornicator(from Shariah) if they are to commit zina which is not sexual intercourse?

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sheikh,

Contrary to what you may have deduced, I am not a religious scholar. If you want an answer from a purely religious perspective, you better ask the question in the 'Religion' forum.

However, a simple answer is that the person who commits "zina" is called "zaani". While the jurisprudence and punishment for different forms of zina are different, however, for purpose of semantics, a person who indulges in any form of "zina" is "zaani", be it actual intercourse, or zina of eyes, mind or ears etc.

[This message has been edited by Faisal (edited August 01, 2002).]