Is it permissible to refer to Britain (or any other Land of Disbelief) as my homeland because I was born and grew up here?
From an Islamic point of view is my homeland the place of my birth or is it where my parents come from?
Is it more of a rhetorical question? Becausein Islam you belong to the Ummah, regardless of where you live. Some even doubt if geographic boundaries are even recognized from a strict Islamic stand-point. Your first loyalty is to your Creator, then your Ummah and then your tribe.
Then again, this is one view. The other view is that you should be loyal to the country where you live and which provides you all the opportunities you avail in your life. Be a dutiful and law-abiding citizen. Etc.
The two do not necessarily have to be mutually exclusive, though at times it may be a difficult choice.
^ This is what I believe in :k: Logical and makes more sense to me than swearing your loyalty to a country that you love one day and your progeny can be running from the next (ex. Jews in WWII Germany, Muslims in India during Partition, Palestinians fleeing the Gaza Strip, etc.) Our first duty is to our Creator.
that is great. Good point faisal. Patan nahin yeh idiot loag kashmir, palestine ki kyun lat nahin choRtey!!! idiots i tell ya, islamically I mean.
So if a Muslim calls Britain as their homeland, does that mean i have the right to issue a fatwa against them and can i kick them out of the fold of Islam (Nauzubillah)?
i mean, ultimately, it's up to each person to decide what their 'homeland' is. If they don't want to be included in the Muslim ummah, who can force them. Let there be no compulsion in religion. No that's not a Christian quote. It's an Islamic one.
I don't see anything wrong in ascribing nationality to oneself... many teachings in Islam underscore the diversity of humankind - there's a verse in the Quran that says something to the effect of "God has created you into nations and in tribes, so that you may come to know one another"
perhpas this thread maybe of some help…
Re: What is the ruling on calling oneself British/American?
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*Originally posted by Naadir: *
Is it permissible to refer to Britain (or any other Land of Disbelief) as my homeland because I was born and grew up here?
From an Islamic point of view is my homeland the place of my birth or is it where my parents come from?
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If you were born and grew up in Britain you have to be loyal to Britain cos this is your country regardless where your parents come from and whatever God you believe in. If you don't agree then you have to leave Britain, full stop......
I didn’t mean loyalty or allegiance to any country, it’s leaders or their policies.
Just for identification sake do I get classed as Al-Bakistani or Al-Britani?
The Muhajireen who migrated from Mecca to Medina, what were their offspring classed as? Al-Makki or Madani? Maybe it’s a different issue when living in Dar Al-Kufr. 
Mate, If you were born and raised in the UK then you are British(100%). and should be proud of your counry(except Tony Blair’s policies, like following the Stupid Bush). You can keep your faith cos Britain is a free country, not like most of the Muslim countries. But you have to be loyal to Britain.
Naadir asalam alaikam
in terms of islam there is no issue of nationalism because this is a racist thought i.e loyalty to a palce just because of flag or tribe or land. Islam rejects this idea completly.
Muhammad(saw) never propogated the idea of i am meccan neither did the sahabah may allah be pleased with them wherever they where from.
On other hand you can say i am muslim from mecca or i am muslim from britain or france etc.
Because you are just saying you are from this place or that palce. You are not being nationalist by saying that.
As for some people sayig you have to be loyal to the britain this is rubbish is Britain loyal to you when they bomb muslims or put sanctions on them so what loyalty they talking about. You stay in britain or amerika you pay your taxes don’t commit crime obey laws such as stop at traffic lights etc. But you not allowed to commit haram if you in these places if the law says you must commit haram for example then you should leave that place and go elsewhere. I hope inshallah this made sense.
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*Originally posted by ak47: *
Naadir asalam alaikam
in terms of islam there is no issue of nationalism because this is a racist thought i.e loyalty to a palce just because of flag or tribe or land. Islam rejects this idea completly.
Muhammad(saw) never propogated the idea of i am meccan neither did the sahabah may allah be pleased with them wherever they where from.
On other hand you can say i am muslim from mecca or i am muslim from britain or france etc.
Because you are just saying you are from this place or that palce. You are not being nationalist by saying that.
As for some people sayig you have to be loyal to the britain this is rubbish is Britain loyal to you when they bomb muslims or put sanctions on them so what loyalty they talking about. You stay in britain or amerika you pay your taxes don't commit crime obey laws such as stop at traffic lights etc. But you not allowed to commit haram if you in these places if the law says you must commit haram for example then you should leave that place and go elsewhere. I hope inshallah this made sense.
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Briatin is a country where citizens have right to protest against the government's actions like going to War or abusing human rights. And people do protest. one of the biggest protest against Iraq war was here in Britain. Naadir does have a right (of course he knows it) to vote for or against Tony Blair. I hated the fact that Tony blair follows that Stupid Bush with half the brain. BUT that does not mean that Naadir can side with other countries angainst his own country(UK). It has got nothing to do with nationalism and religion. He is British and he can believe in whatever religion he shoose that is his personal matter.
Brother ak-47 isn’t it Allah who made us into nations and tribes so that we may get to know each other? (Quran 49:13)
Islam is our Faith, Religion and Ideology, it’s the touchstone by which we will judge right from wrong but it does not prohibit us from belonging to nations or tribes so long as we don’t make that a matter of pride or dividing ourselves.
I agree with bro armughals views in the following thread regarding this…
http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=112649