What is the ideal population size for Britain?

any thoughts on this article?

what would be the situation if the unspoken line in the article could be read in between the lines, and the immigrants were all to decide and leave back to where they came from or to a new country?

what if the predominant national group from UK decided to leave the country, which will never happen, perhaps.

is the colonial mindset very clearly discernable in this article?

best,

Dushwari

UK population ‘to double in one lifetime’
By Philip Johnston, Home Affairs Editor
Last Updated: 7:01pm GMT 27/11/2007

The UK’s population could almost double within a lifetime to more than 100 million, new figures have shown.

A combination of record immigration, high fertility rates and longer life expectancy could push the numbers to 108 million by 2081.

High immigration is also fuelling a baby boom because new arrivals tend to be younger

The extraordinary estimate issued by the Office for National Statistics yesterday came as a parliamentary committee heard evidence of the growing impact on schools and hospitals.

One teachers’ leader said some schools were ''struggling to cope” because they had not been given enough money to deal with the influx.

The most likely forecast based on current trends is that the population will rise to 71m in 2031 and to 85m in 2081, but if birth rates grow more quickly than expected, immigration remains high and people live longer this could reach 108 million - nearly twice today’s 60m.

High immigration is also fuelling a baby boom because new arrivals tend to be younger and to have larger families than the indigenous population.

David Davis, the shadow home secretary, said: 'This confirms what we have been telling the Government all along.

''Labour needs to wake up and understand the factors driving population change as well as the solutions.”

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Sir Andrew Green, the chairman of Migrationwatch, said: “Our country is already facing massive changes as a result of the government’s failure to control our borders.

''These population projections are a sharp reminder of what could well happen if they continue to fail to take firm and effective action to bring a halt to the mass immigration which they have stimulated.”

Liam Byrne, the immigration minister, said: "These projections show what might happen in 75 years’ time unless we take action now.

"Frankly, it underlines the need for the swift and sweeping changes we are bringing to the immigration system in the next 12 months, which will include the introduction of an Australian-style points-based system, so only those that Britain needs can come to work and study.”

The figures were published as representatives of teachers, doctors and nurses spoke of the impact of migration on the public services.

In evidence to a House of Lords committee inquiry into the impact of immigration, Steve Sinnott, general secretary of the National Union of Teachers, said a phenomenon once limited to urban areas was now affecting rural primary schools which needed more expert staff and specialist books for pupils who speak no English.

"We do have schools where we have had significant, large numbers of youngsters appearing very quickly,” he said.

"We have had schools in London where on a Friday afternoon the head has arrived with seven or eight youngsters and taken them to a GCSE English class and none of the youngsters can speak English. '’The teachers have been pulling their hair out,’’ he said.

Mick Brookes, general secretary of the head teachers’ union NAHT, said the education of both migrant and local pupils was at risk in some schools.

"Some schools are struggling to cope,’’ he said.

"The capacity to do the best they can for the local children - and the children who are coming in - is being stretched.’’

An analysis by the union suggested that extra Government funding for each immigrant child would only pay for about three weeks of a teaching assistant’s time.

Josie Irwin of the Royal College of Nursing said there was only anecdotal evidence about the impact of immigration on hospitals but there were ''particular difficulties” in the inner cities.

Prof David Blanchflower, a member of the Bank of England’s monetary policy committee, predicted a second wave of migration from eastern Europe as the current well-educated arrivals gain new skills and get better jobs.

He believed the flow from the east was ''inexorable” and probably had not peaked.

Prof Blanchflower expected another inflow of Poles and other EU nationals from Ireland, which has seen a greater number of arrivals proportionately than the UK but where work is drying up.

There would be a new migration to help London prepare to the Olympics in 2012, he added.

Prof Blanchflower said there was evidence that the high levels of immigration were depressing wages among low-skilled workers, something the Government has disputed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global/main.jhtml?xml=/global/2007/11/28/noindex/npop127.xml

Re: What is the ideal population size for Britain?

It should be 100,000... anymore than that people will be living in cramped up places.

Re: What is the ideal population size for Britain?

dushwari whats so wrong in border control and allowing needs based immigration?

Re: What is the ideal population size for Britain?

i think the concept is obscenely exploitative, barey bhai. no?

Re: What is the ideal population size for Britain?

what of countries only allowing people that they need, or people going to other countries because they need to?

exploitation can be two way you know :)

Re: What is the ideal population size for Britain?

i see, and agree that exploitation is two way - i dont think like a man, you know:>

i happen to be a young lady with ethics.

but goig back to the topic, the two way exploitation will be and is anti thetical to what we have seen in the history of colonial
empire's expansion and its plundering sprees in the guise of development.
so is true with the model of free market economy and corporate america's
hegemony.

on the other hand, if you were to compare, the influx of immigrants in the arab countries, specifically arabia and uae
are treated differently than how they are in uk or usa.

east or west, capability to be exploited and to exploit is pretty dense.

the good thing is that some peole realize that that is not the way to be.
best,
Dushwari

Re: What is the ideal population size for Britain?

u mean only men can look at both sides of the equation?

are you implying that what I stated was unethical?

two way exploitation is a reality today and has been a reality, whether it was Pakistanis collecting dole from multiple councils in UK, or whether it is an illegal person in US who is not paying taxes but has his kids burdening the education system, and his family burdening the health system. Now you can say this illegal worker is also being exploted by his employer..which is true, but he has chosen to be in a situation where he is being exploited and there is one person exploiting him, however such person is exploiting his community who have no say.

but if we set aside this whole illegal immigration deal ands look at regular immigration, of course countries want people who will be productive and help meet some needs of the country, and people go to countries where they can get a good return on their skills or get the lifestyle or benefits they want.

quite differently, very badly infact.

Re: What is the ideal population size for Britain?

Fraudia bhai,
men are so good at looking at both sides that they forget that their are TWO SIDES!!

that said, yes, the difference between the immigration in country a to country b (both Muslim countries), vs to a non-Muslim country just by very nature of are different things.

people forego the idea of cross exchange of benefits and equal transactional linkage between what a migrant bring in, what the native can offer esp in their attitude towards and genuine desire to help the former, and how the migrant can enable the native to seeing the migrant's home country as some nice place to visit or even move to and settle in.
there is a WHOLE interpersonal and cross cultural, cross borders RELA{y}-shun-ship that gets formed, ideally or can get formed.

the crux is, that pivotal thought, a notion of benefiting of both sides, because of the economic and intercultural or interethnic cross over of fair and positive connectons.

when a race issue obliterates the fair and fine line of humane decency that ought to be present in the guest resident and the host country as well as its citizens, as well as the ideas within the mind of the two, then sorri-ly prejudices, negative attitudes, discriminations, humiliations and hatred takes hold.

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that is what i do feel needs to be addressedin the context of Muslim migrants and the countries to which they knowingly make the move, like UK or USA.
best,

Dushwari

Re: What is the ideal population size for Britain?

key being mutual benefits, no one benefits from people who cheat the system. those types are called parasites and people dislike local parasites let alone foriegn parasites.

if that is a reality, if it is not then its not.

well speaking fo britian the prejudice is from both sides and was from both sides. idiots on both sides looked down at each other, and the type of people who were moving did give enough reasons that even non idiot type locals as ell as even other immigrants..even from teh same country were concerned.

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1 this current wave of immigration has been made possible by EU legislation to enable workers to work freely anywhere within europe. 'vast amounts' of people are coming into britain everyday. i dont know how long britain can cope with this.
2 there has been exploitation of these people by UK companies and people. a few pakistanis have used these people to work for them at horrendously low rates of pay.
3 there has been some amount of social welfare abuse by the newcomers, including claiming for children who are still in their motherland!
4 many of the eastern european people look exactly like pakistanis, which caught the rest of the population out for a while. ie they fitted straight in. polish immigrants (white) are more welcome. this has been edging towards another racial debate. people were led to believe mainly poles were coming in, by news coverage focusing on them.
5 this new wave of immigartion makes pakistanis 'just' another minority community again in numbers. the pakistani influence was growing real strong before this influx. at present the pakistani community are more established but the political influence will be damaged by this imigration as the newcomers become more settled