And btw for the knowledge of my brothers and sisters in a town called Rawalpindi in Pakistan. Another person has came who claims to be Prommised Maseeha
Can the mod be kind enough to Leave the thread open
And do my Muslim brothers and sister knew that Mirza sahib [according to a follower] had *99 names: *
"Yesterday while lying sick in my bed, a brain wave came that 99 names of Allah are mentioned in Hadith and 99 names of holy Prophet (pbuh) are also mentioned in books. Let us see Hazrat Maseeh Mow'ood has how many Divine Names, which God has given him? When I collected all of them they turn out to be 99 as well. There is a certain wisdom in these names therefore they are published for the benefit of friends:
Ahmad
Muhammad
Mahdi
Yaseen
Rasool
Mursil
Nabi-Allah
Nazeer
Mujaddid-e-Waqt
Muhaddith-Allah
Governor General
Hakum
Adul
Imam
Imam Mubarak
Ghulam Ahmad
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani
Mirza
Eisa
Maseeh
Maseeh Mow'ood
Maseeh-Allah
Maseeh-uz-Zaman
alShaikh alMaseeh
Maseeh Ibn Maryam
Maseeh-e-Muhammadi
Roohullah
Maryam
Ibne Maryam
Adam
Nooh
Ibrahim
Ismael
Jacob
Yusuf
Moosa
Haroon
Dawood
Sulaiman
Yahya
Jeriullah fi Hilal alAnbiya
Abdullah
Abdul Qader
Sultan Abdul Qader
Abdul Hakeem
Abdul Rahman
Abdul Raaf'a
Muhammad Mufleh
Zulqarnain
Salman
Ali
Mansoor
Hujjatullah AlQader
Sultan Ahmad Mukhtar
Hubbullah
Khaleelullah
Asadullah
Shafiullah
King of Aryans
Krishna
Rooder Gopal
Ameen-ul-Mulk Jai Singh Bahadur
Brahmen Autar
Aawahan
Mubarak
Sultan-ul-Qalam
Musroor
AlNajm-us-Saqib
Rahi-ul-Islam
Humi-ul-Islam
Ghalib
Mubasshir
Khair-ul-Anam
Asad
Sher-e-Khuda
Shahid
Khalifat-ullah asSultan
Noor
Amin
Rajul min Fares (Man from Persia)
Siraj-e-Muneer
Mutawakkel
Ashj'a-un-naas
Wali
Qamar
Shams
Awwal-ul-Mo'mineen
Salaamti-ka-Shezada (Prince of Peace)
Maqbool
Mard-e-Salamat
Al Haq
Dho-alBarkaat
Al Badr
Hajr-e-Aswad
Madinat-ul-'Ilm
Tayyeb
Maqbool-ur-Rehman
Kalimat-ul-Azal
Ghazi
(Qadiani Mazhab by Prof. Ilyas Burni, p.229)
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"God has revealed to me that anyone to whom my message has reached and he has not accepted me , he is not a muslim." (Letter of Mirza to Dr. Abdul Hakeem Khan Patialvi)
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Actually quite the reverse is true... whoever believes in Mirza is not a Muslim...
Year 1907 Mirza sahib had a "enemy". As ahmedies believe :
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zakiahmed wrote:
Laws of God are laws through which God helps His chosen ones, those whom He loves; through them He disgraces and destroys the enemies of His friends [And for this quotation the brother has used one of his sacred books]
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*Molvi Sanaullah Amratsari : *
Born in 1868. Died 15th March 1948. Immediately after finishing his education, he found himself engaged in debates with Mirza Ghulam A Qadiani. You see since Sanaullah was debating with Mirza sahib and also claiming that Mirza sahib is a fake prophet that according to the above quoted refference of the borhter made Sahaullah as a enemie to Allah [according to Ahmedies]. Now let see what happens then:
Mirza sahib invited him [Sanaullah] to Qadian:
"every objection he raises is absolutely false and is conceived by satan. If he is truthful, then let him come to Qadian and prove any prophecy false; and for every prophecy (that is proven false) he will be rewarded Rs. 100/= and traveling allowance is separate." (Aijaz-e-Ahmadi, Roohani Khazain vol.19 p. 118)
Mirza sahib further wrote:
"It should be remembered that in the book 'Nuzool-e-Maseeh', I have written 150 prophecies, which means that in case I am liar, Molvi Sanaullah Saheb will take away Rs 15,000, and will be rid of going door to door begging. Rather we will present him with more prophecies with proofs, and according to the same promise continue paying him per prophecy. At the moment I have more than 100,000 members of my Jamaat. Thus if I take one rupee per mureed (follower) for Molvi Saheb, I will collect 100,000 rupees, and all of that would be presented to him. The state in which he goes door to door for two annas (cents) spoiling himself, and God's curse descends on him, and survives on the money obtained from the shrouds of dead bodies or sermons. To receive Rs 100,000 for him would a paradise for him. But if he doesn't explain this statement of mine and doesn't come to Qadian with conditions mentioned above, which includes both conditions - to testify if proven otherwise deny, to investigate, the curse be on him for saying such boastful things, which he mentioned in the debate in 'Mud' district, and had lied shamelessly. God says: 'La taqifo maa laisaa lakaa behee ilm (Quran 17.36) but he disbelieved in front of common men without knowledge and full investigation. Is this honesty? That person is worst than dog who barks without reason, and that life is accursed life which is spent shamefully." (Aijaz-e-Ahmadi, Roohani Khazain vol. 19 p.132)
Mentioned in the same book :
"It should be noted that through Molvi Sanaullah, soon my three signs will be exhibited:
**-1- **He will never come to me in Qadian to examine all the prophecies and to testify the true prophecies by his pen would be his death.
**-2- **If he insists on this challenge that the liar would die before the truthful, then he would surely die first.
**-3- **And first of all, his humiliation would be soon proven when he would abstain from this competition of urdu composition and arabic poetry." (Aijaz-e-Ahmadi, Roohani Khazain vol. 19 p. 148)
*Molvi Sanaullah wrote: *
"The result of all this was that, I reached Qadian on 10th January 1903, 10th Shawwal 1320, and informed Mirza Saheb through a note as follows:
'Bismillah Al-Rehman Al-Raheem. To Janab Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Saheb, Raees-e-Qadian.
This humble self, according to your invitation mentioned in Aijaz-e-Ahmadi pp. 11-13, I am presently here in Qadian. Until now, Ramadhan prevented me from accepting your invitation, otherwise I would not have delayed it. I swear upon God that I do not have any personal grievance or animosity against you. Since according to you, you are appointed on such a high position which is for the guidance of all humanity in general and for sincere persons like me especially, therefore I firmly hope that you will not spare any effort to make me understand, and as promised, you will give me permission that I will express in front of people my thoughts about your prophecies. Once again I remind you of my sincerity and the trouble that I have taken to travel all the way, and by virtue of the grand position, please give me a chance.' .... from Abu al-Wafa Sanaullah. dated 10th January 1903.' (Tareekh-e-Mirza by Maulana Sanaullah Amratsari p. 61)
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*Originally posted by stupid idiot: *
Year 1907 Mirza sahib had a "enemie".
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Did you mean enemy or enema?
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*Originally posted by gupguppy: *
Did you mean enemy or enema?
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thanks for the correction
previous post continues....
After Molvi Sanaullah reached Qadian, Here is what Mirza sahib had to say:
"I have promised God that I would never debate with those people (opponents). Thus that way which is quite far away from debates is that to clear this stage you will have to promise that you will not go out of the 'Minhaj-e-Nabuwwat - way of the prophethood' ....... 2nd condition is that you will not be allowed to speak at all. You will only give a written objection, one line or two lines, that this is your objection. Then in the gathering, a detailed reply would be given. For objection, there is no need to write in detail, just a line or two is enough. 3rd condition is that you would raise only ONE objection per day. Since you have not informed us of your coming, rather you have sneaked in like a thief, because of lack of free time and work of printing the book, we cannot spend more than three hours. Remember that this will never be allowed that you give a long lecture like a sermon in front of public, instead you will have to absolutely keep your mouth shut, as deaf and dumb, so that the talk does not turn into a debate. First you will ask only regarding one prophecy. For three hours I can give its reply, and at each you will be cautioned that even if now you are not satisfied then write it down. It would not be your task to let (people) hear your objection. We will read ourselves, but it should not be more than two or three lines. This way, you will not suffer, since you have come to clear your doubts, this way is excellent to remove doubts. I will announce to the people that regarding this prophecy, such and such doubt has come into the heart of Molvi Saheb, and this is its reply. This way all the doubts will be cleared. But if you want that like a debate you are allowed to talk, then this will never happen. (Mirza repeated the same conditions at least two more times in the next paragraph) .... From my side, I swear upon God, that I would not go out of this, and will not hear anything, you will not dare to utter a single word from your mouth. And I bind you also with the swear of God, that if you have come with a true heart, then be bound to it and do not spend your life in creating trouble and disturbance. And whosoever among the two of us, breaks this oath, then God's curse be on him, and may God will that he sees the fruit of this curse in his life. Ameen..... by the pen of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad by his own hand" (Tareekh-e-Mirza pp.62-64)
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Very interesting SI… strong refutation and clarification…
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*Originally posted by chalna: *
hmm again poor tries to poor qadiyanism as right..after 150 years still there is only handful and very very small qadiyanis r there..
and another most important point is qadiyanism was supported by british much at the time of mirza ahmad..reason behind was to cancelled jahad and end muslim spiritual life....if u guys still want o prove ur religion right then go on and post links...wht i can do just smile on ur poor knowledge
....if qadiyanis r right then y they r called as non muslims both locally and internationally
my qeustion to all qadiyanis here plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz reply to this question
"Would u like the same death just like mirza ahmad qadiyani"
plz answer it...cuz we all know u coward qadiyanis will not reply to it
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I think you shouldn't even be allowed to post in the religion forum, cause kid you have no respect and don't know how to debate...may Allah guide you to the right path :)
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on such remarks from Mirza sahib there is what Molvi Sanaullah said:
"I received your long letter. Alas! what is the expectations of the whole country, same thing has happened. Respected Sir! When I have come according to your invitation mentioned in Aijaz-e-Ahmadi, and in clear words I have given reference of the same pages, then such long talk from you .... me dear Sir, it is so sad that on the one hand you invite me to come to do research, that I prove your prophecies wrong to get the cash reward Rs. 100 for each, and then in your letter you are binding me to write just one or two lines whereas for your self you propose to have three hours!!!
Is this the way of research that I write one or two lines and you make a speech for three hours? This shows clearly that you are now regretting having invited me, and is denying your own invitation, and refraining from research, for which you had invited me on page 23. Dear Sir! Did you invite me to your house write these two lines only? I could have done better sitting in Amratsir, and am doing it already. But remembering the troubles of my journey, I do not want to go empty handed, therefore I accept your injustice as well and will write only two three lines, and you can no doubt speak for three hours. However I would request this much alteration that I would read my two three lines to the audience, and after every hour of your speech, I would express my thoughts about your speech for 5 minutes, maximum 10 minutes. Since you do not like public audience, therefore the gathering from sides would be limited to 25 persons. You akin my coming without informing you to be like a thief! Is this how you greet your guests? There was no condition that you have to be informed in advance. Moreover, you would have received the news from heavens. Whatever speech you are going to make, kindly give it to me then, and proceedings will start from today. After I receive your reply, I will send you my brief question. As far as the talk about cursing is concern, it is the same which is mentioned in hadith.... from Sanaullah dated 11th January 1903" (Tareekh-e-Mirza p.65) (Hadith about Curse: If the person who has been cursed, does not deserve the curse, then it returns to the one who has cursed)
Mirza sahib did not reply to this letter, instead instructed his disciple Mohammed Ahsan Amrohi to write the reply:
"Molvi Sanaullah Saheb, your letter was read to Hazrat-e-Aqdas, Imam-uz-Zaman, Maseeh Mowood ... since its contents were purely racist and hateful, which is far away from seeking the truth, therefore this reply is enough from Hazrat-e-Aqdas (Mirza) that you do not want to investigate the truth ... Hazrat has sworn that he would not enter into any debate with his opponents, how can an appointee of Allah go against his promise of God?... therefore your proposals are absolutely not acceptable.... From Mohammed Ahsan by order of Hazrat Imam-uz-Zaman dated 11th January 1903" (Tareekh-e-Mirza p.66)
Molvi Sanaullah went back to Amratsir but it did not end here.
Re: Re: Re: What is the difference between an Ahmadi and Muslims?
ignorance at its best 
…oh and for your info ahmadi muslims have the same kalima
and mr. stupid idiot…if you want answers to those allegations you copy pasted in the previous posts…you should go to the new ahmadi forum and get your answers there :french:
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*Originally posted by Islamabad: *
Muslims are Muslims
Ahmedis are non Muslims .
JazakAllah
This has been discussed a 1000 times......
Topic closed.
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sorry to break it to you, but ahmadis are muslims if you like it or not...peace
mr. stupid idiot..would you please stop copy pasting all that BS from the anti-ahmadi sites…cause this stuff has been answered already many times…as I said before..go to the ahmadi forum 
..you will find your answers there :k:
Interestingly, ahmadis are so frustrated when called non-muslims but in actual they consider non-ahmadis as non-muslims themselves! In a previous discussion in this forum I quoted this passage. Now I will ask ahmadis here that I have seen them follow these acts in total in real lives!
The Qadiani view of their leadership with Muslims was well summarised by their second caliph, Mirza Mahmud Ahmad:
"Our worship has been separated from the non-Ahmadis, we are prohibited from giving our daughters (in marriage) to them and we have been stopped from offering prayers for their dead. What is then left that we can do together? There are two kinds of ties: one religious and the other mundane. The greatest expression of the religious bond is in common worship and in matters mundane, these are the ties of family and marriage. But then both are forbidden (haram) to us. If you say that we are permitted to take their daughters (in marriage), then I would reply that we are allowed to marry the daughters of christians as well. If you say why do we salaam to non-Ahmadis, then the reply to this is that the Prophet (Muhammad) has said salaam to the Jews.. thus the Promised Messiah (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) has separated us in all possible ways from the others; and there is no kind of relationship which is particular to Muslims and we are not forbidden from (entering) into that." (Kalimatul Fasl by Mirza Basheer Ahmad in Review of Religions, vol.14, No. 3-4, p.159)
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Prayer of Mirza sahib, against his erstwhile opponent, Molvi Sanaullah Amratsari seeking judgment from Allah
"Dear Mr. Sanaullah. Salaam on those who follow the right path. My rejection and disapproval has been going on for a long time in your magazine. You have always remembered me in your paper as Mardood, Liar, Dajjal, corrupt and have advertised me all over the world that i am a Fabricator and Dajjal, and Liar and that my claim of Maseeh Mowood is absolutely a Fabrication. .....If I am such a Liar and FAbricator, as you remember me in your paper, THEN I WILL DIE IN OUR LIFETIME, because i know that a LIAR and Corrupt does not have a long life and at last he dies as a failure within the lifetime of his fierce opponents with great humiliation and discontentment....If I am not a LIAR and FABRICATOR and is honored by the addresses of God and am Maseeh Mowood, then I hope by the Grace of God that according to the Tradition of God you will not be safe from the punishment of a LIAR. Thus that punishment which is not by human hands but only at the hands of God, such as Plague and Cholera etc. deadly diseases are not afflicted upon you than I AM NOT FROM GOD. This is not a prophecy because of inspiration or revelation, rather just as a prayer i have sought justice from God and I pray to God.... {O my Master! Baseer and Qadeer who is Aleem and Khabeer, who knows my inside the heart! If this claim of Maseeh Mowood is just a fabrication of my egotistical self, in Your Eyes I am Corrupt and Liar and day and night Fabrication is my business, then O my Beloved Master! I pray with great humility in your Presence that kill me in Molvi Sanaullah and with my death make him and his Jamaat happy. Ameen.
But O my Perfect and True God! If Molvi Sanaullah is not right in these allegations which he accuses me of, then kill him in my lifetime, BUT not by human hands, rather by Plague or Cholera deadly diseases, ... but i see that his tongue has crossed all boundaries, he considers me worse than those thieves and dacoits....he considers me worse than the whole world and has spread about me in far away places that this man actually is corrupt and trader and Liar and fabricator and an extremely bad person....Thus now I am now taking refuge in you and requests you that make true judgment between me and Sanaullah. Whoever is in your eyes truly a Liar and corrupt, KILL HIM IN THE LIFETIME OF TRUTHFUL PERSON, or afflict him with some serious illness which is like death. O My Beloved Master! Do Just that. Ameen."
In the end I request Molvi saheb to publish this article in his newspaper and whatever he likes to write underneath it. Now the Judgment is in the hands of God.
Signed: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, Maseeh Mowood.
Dated 5th April 1907."
(Majmooa-e-Ishteharaat, Collection of Advertisement of Mirza Ghulam, vol.3 p.578-579. Published by Jamaat Ahmadiyya Headquarter London)
On 25th April 1907, following page of Mirza Ghulam A Qadiani's daily diary was published in Akhbar al-Badr, Qadian:
"Whatever has been written by Sanaullah, actually its foundation has been laid down by God. Once I meditated towards God about it and in the night I received this inspiration (ujeebo dawat adDaaee). For Sufis the big miracle is acceptance of prayers, rest is all its branches." (Akhbar alBadr Qadian, 25th 1907, p.7 Column 3)
This distressed prayer was accepted by Allah. Next year Mirza sahib died of Cholera on 26th May 1908
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Also do not forget that Mirza Ghulam had studied Tibb (Medicine) and when he said cholera, he knew what he was saying. Either you tell me that your prophet/reformer lied at the time of his death or else if he didn't then it is a fact that he was afflicted by Cholera and died of it. What other condition can produce such severe dehydration especially when all the doctors were present beside him? Amazing that you are saying that it was a minor condition which result in such severe dehydration
enough to kill him. Do not forget that Mirza Ghulam had always had diarrhea due to his diabetes, so an ordinary illness would not cause dehydration.
The proof?
Read the following:
"Huzoor could not talk two hours before death. Dr Mirza Yaqoob Baig and Dr Syed Mohammed Hussein Shah were the treating physician. Huzoor asked for paper and wrote on it: I have too much dryness. I can't talk." and some other words he scribbled which could not be read."
(Statement of 'SAHABI' of Mirza Ghulam Mohammed Sadiq Qadiani, Akhbar alFazl Qadian, vol.25 No.274, dated 24th November 1937)
since this incidents dates back to more than 50 years back the followers of the Mirza sahib must have an explaination to this. Do bring it forward I would be very happy to see that.
dont get offened Mr MOD
Its just a a disscustion i guess they only way Ahmadi's can proff them self..if they have any !
so by closeing this thread u ! may proff that Ahmadi's are capable to do so!
Re: Re: Re: Re: What is the difference between an Ahmadi and Muslims?
I know I’m an ignorant man. However incase you didnt read carefully the kalima was not complete.
Dear Mr. samad81 let us here them from you.