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Gospel of Barnabas and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s Ignorance

Mirza Sahib says:

"After all that has been stated, it should be kept in mind that the Gospel of Barnabas, which must be available in the British Museum, it is stated that Jesus was not crucified nor did he die on the Cross. Now we can very well say though this book is not included in the Gospels and has been rejected summarily, yet there is no doubt that it is an ancient book and it belongs to the period in which the other Gospels were written. Is it not open to us to regard this ancient book as a book of history of ancient times and make use of it as a book of history?"
(Masseh in Hindustan, Roohani Khazain, vol. 15, p.21)
Perhaps Mirza Sahib did not read the Gospel of Barnabas himself, for in the Bible of Barnabas, it is clearly mentioned that Hazrat Muhammad (SAAW) will be the last Prophet, and only false Prophets will come after him. Please see the following extract from the Bible of Barnabas:

"Isa (pbuh) said in that Messenger’s coming who will wipe out all false ideas about me. His religion will spread all over the earth. Sardar Kahin asked: After the coming of the Messenger of God will more Prophets come? Isa(pbuh) said: After him not true Prophet will come. But many false Prophets will come."
(Gospel of Barnabas, Urdu Edition, p. 143)
"Then the disciples asked: O Master, who is that man who you mention will come to earth? With great happiness Isa (pbuh) replied: He is Muhammad (SAAW), Messenger of Allah. When he will come, just as rain brings out fruits from earth when there has been no rain for a long time, in the same way with the unlimited Mercy and Blessings with which he will come, he will be the cause of many good and virtuous deeds."
(Gospel of Barnabas, p.228, Urdu Version)

Mirza Sahib admits that the gospel of Barnabas is an ancient historical document, written at the same time as other Gospels. He presents one of its statements to support his claim. But what he didn’t know was that it not only mentions the coming of Hazrat Muhammad (SAAW), but also the finality of his Prophethood or did he? If he had, what right did Mirza Ghulam have to claim that he is a Prophet? Why did he take one statement as a proof and ignored the other one. Perhaps he had never read the Gospel!

Is Adam (pbuh) still alive? Did Mirza Sahib die at the age of 30?

"There is another important statement by the Holy Prophet. During his last illness, the Holy Prophet said to his daughter Fatima: ‘Once a year Gabriel used to recite the Quran to me. This year he recited twice. He also told me that every succeeding Prophet has lived up to half the age of his predecessor. He told me that Jesus, son of Mary, lived to 120 years. Therefore, I think, I may live to about 60 years."

(Invitation to Ahmadiyyat (Da’awat-ul-Ameer), p.17)

Based on this formula, some of the future prophets (if at all there are some, and there should be at least three of them if you accept the Qadiani interpretation of the verse of Khatme-Nabuwwat) will have following ages:

Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani ??? 30 years old

Next assumed prophet 15 years old

Next assumed prophet 7 and half years old…and so on.

So according to the extract on page 17 taken from "Invitation to Ahamadiyyat", Hazrat Adam (pbuh) should have lived up to 122880 years. Which means that he is still alive. In fact, even Hazrat Sheesh, Noah, Abrahim and Ismail (pbut) should all be alive now. Furthermore, if Mirza Sahib is a prophet, he should have died at the age of 30 only, that is half the age of the previous Prophet. Did Mirza Sahib become Prophet after his death? Still more interesting, if Prophets will continue to come, then just a few Prophets down the line we would be having one who is a newborn!! This statement of the Holy Prophet (SAAW), if at all authentic, clearly means that there will no Prophet after Hazrat Muhammad (SAW), because the next Prophet will have to die at the age of 30 and the next at 15 which means he will not even be an adult.

Date : 24-4-1998 Fax 92-21-4933559 Email : [email protected]

The Qadianis/Ahmadis after facing academic and intellectual defeat have started preaching by saying "keep this book beneath your pillow, and the Holy Prophet (SAW) will come in dream saying that Mirza Saheb is a true Prophet and Promised Messiah and Imam Mahdi". In the article "Will all sects go Heaven and only one to Hell?" I have shown that all sects are dreaming the Holy Prophet (SAW). The Barelvis, the Deobandis, etc. and now even the Ahmadis/ Qadianis are dreaming. Since all sects cannot be right, therefore dream is no basis of truth.

Hence the cartoon above of Taj Mahal with picture of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. The people ask Mr. Mirza to give answer to Illias Suttar’s article "Can Ahmadis/ Qadianis Answer?" Mr. Mirza replies: "Let those who call us liars keep calling so. Let us live in our world of dream".

In September / October 1995, the present leader of Ahmadis / Qadianis Mr. Tahir Mirza said: "One fitna (Temptation) is coming. Protect your faith from this temptation by remembering miracles done by Allah in favor of Ahmadis/Qadianis. One such miracle was the plane accident of President Zia-ul-Haq of Pakistan".

On 04-07-1983, Mr. Rahim Younus wrote from Bangladesh that Illias Suttar should stop preaching among Ahmadis/Qadianis and should learn lesson from the fate of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto who was hanged till death.

So, the question is that what will be the fate of Illias Suttar? He will die in plane accident or will be hanged or in some other way be punished?

On 2nd March, 1998 Illias Suttar accompanied with Mr. Sarwar Rao visited Noor Hall (Ahmadi Center) and asked Mr. Dawood, the Imam of the Hall, to contest Illias Suttar’s article "Can Ahmadis / Qadianis Answer?" in any Supreme Court of the World.

The Imam (Mr. Dawood) said: "We do not believe in the Judges of the earth. We have left the decision on Illias Suttar’s article in the Hands of the Judge in the sky".

Mr. Ahmad Baksh Channa who left Ahmadiyat/Qadianism and became a Muslim said : "The article of Illias Suttar has shaken the building of Qadianism."

The building has fallen now. In the above cartoon, we read:

Illias Suttar, Second Floor, 19 Commercial Area, Bahadurabad, Karachi-74800, Pakistan. Ph – 92-21-4937221

Date : 24-4-1998 Fax 92-21-4933559 Email : [email protected]

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now i m sure tht no 1 will reply…yes i m sure…diva4u and others willsay topic has been closed..infact topic has just started..so rock with me i mean with chalna… dont think i spent my time to find this artilce…i have read abt 15 books on qadiyanism fitna and thts y i suggest “taufuh-e-qadiyaniat” to all and read it..qadiyanis people here,look wht is the right path..this is just pages..

link of tht article is
http://www.irshad.org/brochures/asuttar.php
i have met tht man ..really ALLAH give him more power to enlighten qadiyanis fitna
cheers..plz reply

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by chalna: *
my qeustion to all qadiyanis here plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz reply to this question
"Would u like the same death just like mirza ahmad qadiyani"
plz answer it...cuz we all know u coward qadiyanis will not reply to it
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chalna i already answered u in the thread by Diva4u but u never came back to check it so i am pasting it here. One more thing, u mentioned somewhere that Mirza Sahib (as) died in bathroom (nauzobillah), will u kindly give me the exact reference. I dont think it wud be difficult for u in the presence of the magical book u call tuhfa e qadianiat.

quote:

Originally posted by chalna:

Question put by moulana shaheb was
"would u like(mirza tahir) the same death and last moments of life exactly as ur father and grandfather(mirzah ahmad qadiyani)...no offcourse not,cuz u know their fate"

plz reply all qadiyanis
and ya moderator dont delete my post.....

first of all, nobody knows no ones fate. Its only Allah Almighty who knows who's gonna get what. Second of all, what was wrong with Mirza Ghulam Ahmed's last moment and way of death? I dont think anyone dies a better way.everyone goes through a series of paining experiences (except for a very few). and what afterall all is the significance of this? Now that Mirza Tahir is dead we know he had a very peaceful death. According to ur logic tghis proves that he was a pious man and nearer to God. Doesnt it?

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this question rock mirza tahir pants....it was amazing to read moulana book on qadiyanism fitna...my advice to all to read his great books
and ya moderator again my "request" to u not to delete my post
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Considering the language u used in this thread and a later one, it becomes quite clear how amazing that book by molvi yousaf will be. I know no shareef aadmi cud read it.

One thing about the nukaranis of the Promised Massiah (as); almost 90 percent of the middle and upper middle class households have such naukaranis to take care of the family. What exactly makes u think that Mirza Sahib had them for any other reason. I dont think u or any of ur heros were around.

Last of all, u better watch ur language whenever u talk about anyone who is respected by even a single person. If Mirza Sahib isnt a nabi then using such language will only keep the ahmadis away from islam and if he is, u no ur fate.

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chalna, I will give you answer very soon to your post and show you how your Mr. Ilyaas Sittaar's argument is wrong.

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Chalna, if u cant respect others, then I suggest you go to a forum for people who are rude and abnoxious. You will fit in fine there.

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**Will my dear bro! donthave to cover up what is writen in the book! any lay man kay understand what that ahmadi guy was try to convey and i have not wasted my time looking for some thing that is useless! i have readd that WHOLE BOOK & i know what i read! **

Ya no OFFENCE but u seem to be justscared to face the truth! ushould read ISLAM us intaught by the Mohammad:saw: not by that Ahmadi guy the i guess u will be able to talk
so sorry sisiter!

will after what that Ahmadi guy said :naooz: about MOHAMMAD:saw: no matter if1000 such qaseedas are writen he can wash his dirt

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*Originally posted by Diva4U: *
Chalna, if u cant respect others, then I suggest you go to a forum for people who are rude and abnoxious. You will fit in fine there.
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I guess brother she is rite u dont have to be Rude cuze nothing can change the facts!
And as said in Sura Al kafiroon ..that tell the Kafer's that there religion is for then and OUR is for us!.."
so just let them what they are

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chalna sahib,

the cut-n-paste article that you’ve posted from irshad.org (an anti ahmdiyya website) as a support of your belief that Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian :as:, the promised messiah and mehdi, was (na’uzobillah) a false claimer of prophethood, is just a bogus effort on your side. If you’ve read that article carefully, you will notice that your so-called defender of islam Mr. Ilyaas Sittar sahib, in an effort to disapprove prophethood of Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, has used ways and means in which (if we believe are true) even Quran and Ahadith have defects.

In his effort to falsify Ahmadiyyat, he is refuting authenticity of Quranic verses and proving defects in them.

For example, if we believe that Ilyaas sittar’s logic of concluding that Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad :as: of Qadian is false because (according to his understanding) there are defects in his writing/statements, then question can be raised on authenticity/validity of Quran too.

For example,
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[8:3] They are only the true believers whose hearts tremble when the name of Allah is mentioned, and when His Signs are recited to them they increase their faith, and who put their trust in their Lord.

But in another verse Allah says,
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[13:29] 'Those who believe, and whose hearts find comfort in the remembrance of Allah. Aye! It is the remembrance of Allah that hearts can find comfort;

So, according to the logic of Ilyaas Sittar, one can argue that both verses mentioned above show discrepancy/dissimilarity in Quran.

Similarly, Allah at one point says:
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[53:3] You companion has neither erred, nor has he gone astray.

But then Allah says:
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[93:8] And found thee lost in love for thy people and provided thee with guidance for them,

Both places word ‘zaal’ is used. At first verse, it is used in ‘negative’ but on the second verse it is used as a positive sense. Can someone argue that their is a discrepency in these verses of Quran? May be your Ilyaas Sittar sahib can but every ‘Aaqil’ would argue that at each point it has a different meaning.

But we all know that In surah baqara Allah says, [2:3] This is a perfect Book; there is no doubt in it; it is a guidance for the righteous.

And Allah says: [4:83] Will they not, then, meditate upon the Qur’an? Had it been from anyone other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy.

Meaning it is only Quran that is a ‘perfect book’ and is clear from all the doubts.

However, one cannot stay away from this fact that the quotes that Ilyaas Sittar has mentioned are true and a person with minimal understanding like himself can argue that there are ‘mis-statements’ on the part of the author, but the fact is that if look deeply into the statements, it is clear from all misconceptions/doubts/differences.

As it was a long article I will take his each argument one by one in an attempt to defend truthfullness of Ahmadiyyat. So please bare with me.

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by zakiahmed: *
chalna, I will give you answer very soon to your post and show you how your Mr. Ilyaas Sittaar's argument is wrong.
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I wish i could live to see that day!
zaki..! i just wish u could!
will wait

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chalna, I will give you answer very soon to your post and show you how your Mr. Ilyaas Sittaar's argument is wrong.

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chalna... thanks for the very strong refutation of Ahmadi falsehood... especially the Gospel of Barnabas and the "succeeding Prophet has lived up to half the age of his predecessor" arguments...

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As a start of the discussion of the discussion, I have taken the above post.

So, lets see what is your so-called defender of Islam Mr. Ilyaas suggesting here. All I can say after reading above post is ‘Inna Lillahe Wa Inna Iliahe raj’oon’. A person who can go so far in refuting Promised Messiah’s claim that he is questioning a valid hadith of Anhuzur:saw:, how can one find peace in his argument.

This is a true hadith which is narrated by Hadhrat Ayesha (ra), Hadhrat Ibne Umar (ra) and Hadhrat Fatima (ra). No muslim has doubts in the authenticity of this hadith and everyone believes that this event actually occured that the huzur(saw) has said:

“Aisha (God be pleased with her) said that, in his illness in which he died, the Holy Prophet said: ‘Every year Gabriel used to repeat the Holy Quran with me once, but this year he has done it twice. He has informed me that** there is no prophet but he lives half as long as the one who preceded him**. And he has told me that Jesus lived a hundred and twenty years, and I see that I am about to leave this world at sixty’.”

(Hujjaj al-Kiramah, p. 428; Kanz al-Ummal, vol. 6, p. 160, from Hazrat Fatima; and Mawahib al-Ladinya, vol. 1, p. 42)

If you concentrate on the bold statement of hadith, it clearly states that no prophet is sent that doesn’t atleast live half of the age of the previous prophet. Which means that if Hadhrat Isa (as) has lived 120 years, then Huzur(saw) will atleast live 60 years , which he did. That doesn’t mean that he will die at 60. So, it is proven that Mr. Ilyaas did totally opposite interpretation to what Huzur(saw) has said. And that can only come from the mind of a person like Ilyaas Sittar who seems to be totally going against the sayings of prophet (saw).

And trust me, that is the only way you can deny truthfulness of ahmadiyyat (ie you have to go against quran and sunnah to claim that Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad :as: was ‘na’uzobillah’ a false prophet.)…

Chapter : 6 (Al-An`am) Verse : 6

So they rejected the truth when it came to them; but soon shall come to them the tidings of that at which they mocked.

Chapter : 10 (Yunus) Verse : 40

Nay, but they have rejected that, full knowledge of which they did not compass nor has the true significance thereof yet come to them. In like manner did those before them reject the truth. But see what was the end of the wrongdoers.

So my suggestion is, please have fear of Allah and stop mocking at a prophet of Allah. May Allah save you all from his ‘azaab’ and guide us all to the right path. Ameen.

more to come…

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:-| hmmm plz do continue

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I know I am beating my head against the wall as you all have already made up your minds not to listen to the truth because

[2:19] They are deaf, dumb and blind; so they will not return.

Those who have rejected Our signs are deaf and dumb, in utter darkness. Whom Allah wills He lets go astray and whom He wills He places on the right path. Chapter : 6 (Al-An`am) Verse : 40

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An example from hadith in same context:

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (peace be upon him). He will descent (to the earth). When you see him, recognise him: a man of medium height, reddish fair, wearing two light yellow garments , looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet. He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him. (Sunan Abu Dawood)

Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) saw me wearing two clothes dyed in saffron(i.e. yellow), whereupon he said: These are the clothes (usually worn by) the non-believers, so do not wear them.
(Sahih Muslim)

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Intresting article you posted.

Just wondering, is this book available in english anywhere.

:jazak:

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The essence of the article written by Mr. Ilyas Sattar regarding supposed contradiction in Promised Messiah's writings on the issue of St. Paul (as summarized by the author himself) is as follows :

1.In the book "Jesus in India" Mirza Sahib proved that Hazrat Isa died in 120 AD.
2.In the book "Anjam-e-Atham", Mirza Sahib has clearly stated that the seeds of Trinity were not sown until 120 A.D.
3.In the book "Anjam-e-Atham", Mirza Sahib has clearly said that St. Paul made Hazrat Isa God.
4.Paul died in 64 or 65 A.D. where as Hazrat Isa died in 120 A.D. Therefore Paul died at least 55 years before Hazrat Isa.
(Mr. Ilyas Sattar has also claimed that "It is a well known fact that St. Paul died in 64 AD or 67 AD")
Since Paul must have given the doctrine of Trinity during his life time, this means that Hazrat Isa was made God at least 55 years before His own death. In other words by 65 A.D. Hazrat Isa was made God/Son of God while he died 55 years later in 120 A.D.
While he (Jesus) was alive in Kashmir, he was being worshipped as God in Palestine.
Some of the sentences attributed to Promised Messiah (specially point 2 above) are not his own sentences. Rather these (along with conclusions drawn from them) are personal & wrong interpretation of Mr. Ilyas Sattar based on long passages of Promised Messiah (A.S). This issue will be discussed later in detail under the title of "Paul and Paulism".

First we will analyze the claim of Mr. Ilyas Sattar that : "It is a well known fact that St. Paul died in 64 or 67 AD".

The entire imaginary scenario (points 1 to 6 above) of Mr. Ilyas Sattar for proving supposed contradiction in Promised Messiah's (A.S) writings regarding St. Paul's issue is primarily based on his said claim. So, let's explore the basis and consequences of this so-called "Well Known Fact".

The Columbia Encyclopedia gives quite a detail of St. Paul's life and activities. But in the beginning it clearly cautions the readers regarding chronology of St. Paul's life by saying that "The chronology of St. Paul's life is difficult, but there is general agreement (within a few years) on almost all details. The hypothetical dates given here are according to one chronological system." (The Columbia Encyclopedia, sixth edition).

What a wonderful "Well known Fact" is this, which is based on "Hypothetical dates and merely general agreement on the same". It must also be noted that the general agreement on these hypothetical dates by the Christian world might be due to their own interest. Large majority of Christians follow the doctrines presented by St. Paul, so it is in their interest to show Paul's time as close as possible to Jesus (A.S) pre-crucifixion life.

The Encyclopedia Britannica gives Paul's year of death as 67 A.D but with a "?" mark. Britannica further mentions that "There are no reliable sources for Paul's life outside the New Testament. The primary source is his own letters. .... The story of Paul's conversion and missionary career is given in Acts, probably written many years after his death." (Encyclopedia Britannica).

It is interesting to note that :

According to the world's most renowned Encyclopedia "there are no reliable sources of Paul's life outside the New testament."
In the New Testament there is no mention of dates or even years of Paul's missionary career and death.
Acts (Part of New Testament) which gives Paul's conversion and missionary career was written many years after his death.
In the light of above it is very clear that the chronology of Paul's missionary career or Death described in Encyclopedias are just approximations derived indirectly from the New Testament. That is why Britannica puts "?" mark after his year of demise and Columbia clearly describes it as "Hypothetical Dates".

Let's further explore Mr. Ilyas Sattar's so-called "Well Known Fact".

We know that "There are no reliable sources for Paul's life outside the New Testament" (Britannica) & that the New Testament does not mention Paul's year of demise. It implies that Mr. Ilyas Sattar considers the statement of Encyclopedia (regarding Paul's year of demise) which is derived indirectly from the New Testament as authentic to a degree that he is ready to pay US$ 250,000 to anyone who may prove it wrong. Well, if Mr. Ilays Sattar is really an honest man then he should follow the same principle & must give even more weight to an other important historical event which is not derived indirectly like the year of Paul's demise but is rather clearly and directly mentioned in the New Testament. The New Testament tells us that Jesus (A.S) met his disciples after the event of crucifixion. The disciples were frightened and thought that it might be the spirit of Jesus which had appeared before them. Sensing that, Jesus (A.S) assured them that he is physically there by giving them an argument that spirits do not possess flesh and blood as you see I do have.

The exact verses of the New Testament clearly recording above said historical fact are :

36 And as they spake these things, he (Jesus) himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they beheld a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and wherefore do questionings arise in your heart?
39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself : handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye behold me having.
40 And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they still disbelieved for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here anything to eat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish.
43 And he took it, and ate before them.

(Luke 24:36-43 ASV)

Is this honesty that on the one hand a clearly mentioned historical fact which tells us that Jesus was physically seen after the event of crucifixion is not acceptable to Mr. Ilyas Sattar, whereas on the other hand just an approximation, derived indirectly from the same New Testament is presented as a "Well known Fact" by him????

The purpose of the above discussion was :

To highlight the dishonesty of Mr. Ilyas Sattar by exposing his double standards.
And to demonstrate that Paul's year of demise described in Encyclopedia are just approximations (or rather merely an agreement ) and therefore can not be challenged as well established fact as claimed by Mr. Ilyas Sattar.
Now we will discuss the issue in the light of in-depth historical background.

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Paul & Paulism

The most important point to be noticed is that Jesus (A.S) was a Messenger to the children of Israel only (Holy Quran 3:49). This fact is also clearly mentioned in New Testament so it is written in Matthew that Jesus (A.S) ordered his disciples to preach Israelites only and never go to Gentile (i.e. Non Israelites). Following are verses from New Testament in this regard which explain the matter:

5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and charged them, saying, Go not into any way of the Gentiles, and enter not into any city of the Samaritans:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

(Matthew 10: 5-6)

In view of the above, according to Holy Quran (As well New Testament) the Real followers of Jesus (A.S) were Israelite only. And Holy Quran (and Promised Messiah in his explanation of the Holy Quran) had said about only those Real Christians (i.e. Israelite Christians) that they remained on the right path till the death of Jesus (A.S).

In the following passages it will be shown that as far as Israelite Christians are concerned, they strongly opposed Paul's concept regarding Christianity and therefore Paul was compelled to move towards the west and started his missionary work there amongst the Gentiles (Non-Jews or Non Israelites).

Paul's background and his missionary work.
As far as Paul himself is concerned, he did not belong to "the House of Israel" (i.e. Bani-Israel). Referring to the ancient history of the Ebionites, A famous critic of Christianity, Hyam Maccoby writes :

"A source of information about Paul that has never been taken seriously enough is a group called the Ebionites. Their writings were suppressed by the Church, but some of their views and traditions were preserved in the writings of their opponents, particularly in the huge treatise on Heresies by Epiphanius. From this it appears that the Ebionites had a very different account to give of Paul's background and early life from that found in the New Testament and fostered by Paul himself. The Ebionites testified that Paul had no Pharisaic background or training; he was the son of Gentiles, converted to Judaism, in Tarsus, came to Jerusalem when an adult, and attached himself to the High Priest as a henchman. Disappointed in his hopes of advancement, he broke with the High Priest and sought fame by founding a new religion." (The Mythmaker, page 17).

Britannica also states that he was born in Tarsus (Now in Turkey) and Columbia Encyclopedia says that Paul's father was a Roman citizen. We also find that He (Paul) never met Jesus (Britannica).

It must be kept in mind that Jesus (A.S) spent years living with and teaching a group of twelve disciples. Paul's severe differences with these disciples can be found in the following passage from Galatians:

"But though we, or an angel of heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. . . . For I neither received [the gospel] from man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. . . . I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it . . . But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb . . . To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the Gentiles; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood: Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus. Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days. But other of the apostles I saw none, save James the Lord's brother. Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not. Afterwards I came into the regions of Syria and Cilicia" Galatians 1:8-21.

From the above passage it is clear that there were serious contradictions between the Gospel which Paul was preaching and the Gospel which the trained disciples of Jesus were preaching. This passage also makes it clear that Paul did not avail himself of the opportunity to learn from those whom Jesus taught face to face. Paul instead claimed that his revelation came directly from Jesus Christ, making instruction from Jesus' trained disciples unnecessary for him. Given this attitude, it would not be surprising if Paul did more talking than listening during the fifteen days he spent with Peter. It is clear from his above attitude that he was unable or unwilling to eliminate contradictions between his own doctrine and that of Jesus. It is surprising that someone who had chosen a profession of lifelong ministry should fail to avail himself of the opportunity to learn from those who had been taught by Jesus himself.

This was about Paul himself now as far as his missionary work is concerned one finds no evidence about Paul's influence among Israelite Christians till 125 AD. Rather Paul's own doctrines in the name of Jesus spread outside Palestine within the Pagan Faith during his whole life. Paul himself admitted that his audience were Gentiles, so he wrote :

" But when it was the good pleasure of God, who separated me, even from my mother's womb, and called me through his grace, to reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the Gentiles; (Galatians 1:15-16)

and

"And I went up by revelation; and I laid before them the gospel which I preach among the Gentiles (Galatians 2:2)

Note: The word Gentile is translated as "Other Nations" or "Ghair Quom" in the Urdu version of Bible Printed by "Pakistan Bible Society Lahore".

The Columbia Encyclopedia also introduce Paul as "The Apostle to the Gentile (i.e. Apostle to Non Jew or Non Israelite)". Further, Hyam Maccoby in his research titled as " The Mythmaker: Paul and the Invention of Christianity" explains :

" The first followers of Jesus, under James and Peter, founded the Jerusalem Church after Jesus' death. They were called the Nazarenes,...... The Nazarenes did not believe that Jesus had abrogated the Jewish religion, or Torah. Having known Jesus personally, they were aware that he had observed the Jewish religious law all his life ............ The Nazarenes were themselves very observant of Jewish religious law. They practiced circumcision, did not eat the forbidden foods and showed great respect to the Temple. The Nazarenes did not regard themselves as belonging to a new religion; their religion was Judaism. ....... The Nazarenes became suspicious of Paul when they heard that he was preaching that Jesus was the founder of a new religion and that he had abrogated the Torah. After an attempt to reach an understanding with Paul, the Nazarenes (i.e. the Jerusalem Church under James and Peter) broke irrevocably with Paul and disowned him. (The Mythmaker, Pages 15-16)

Thus keeping in view above facts, Mr. Ilyas Sattar's assumption that "while he (Jesus) was alive in Kashmir, he was being worshipped as God in Palestine" reflects his total ignorance to history. Contrary to his said assumption, it is apparent from above facts that IF Paul's preaching period was before 120/125 A.D even then his doctrines did not penetrate among Israelite followers of Jesus i.e. Real Christians, (Specially those living in Jerusalem / Palestine) during his lifetime or even many years after his demise.

In brief the seed of trinity sown by Paul in the name of Jesus amongst "Gentiles" remained isolated from Real Christians in the beginning. It grew as a plant amongst Israelite Christians at quite a later stage and years after the demise of Paul. Thus as per saying of Holy Quran the Real Christians remained on right path (i.e. unaffected from Paul's doctrines) till the Death of Jesus i.e. 120 or 125 AD and so there is no contradiction in Promised Messiah's writings whatsoever.

Actual Controversy
The main debate among Ahmadi and non Ahmadi Muslims is regarding what Holy Quran say about Demise of Jesus.

Promised Messiah (A.S) had presented very strong arguments from Holy Quran regarding demise of Jesus (A.S). He had presented 30 verses of Holy Quran in support of demise of Jesus. Its now more than 100 years and opponents are still not able to present even a single verse from Holy Quran which explains in clear words that Jesus was ascended to heaven Bodily. (Note: It is common sense that anyone claiming abnormal phenomenon has to prove it very very precisely and without any shadow of doubt). A big and renowned name in recent Muslim Scholars, Molana Abul Aala Maudodi was compelled to admit this fact that "The words of the Holy Quan do not clarify that Jesus was ascended to heaven bodily" (Rasail-o-Masail page 59 Islamic publications).

It is a proof of our opponent's intellectual defeat that instead of discussing the actual controversy and presenting verses of Holy Quran in support of their doctrine regarding Jesus being raised bodily to heaven, they are hiding their faces in irrelevant debates. They may use all their evil tactics to misguide the masses, but one thing is sure that they can never turn day into night.

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An example from hadith in same context:

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (peace be upon him). He will descent (to the earth). When you see him, recognise him: a man of medium height, reddish fair, wearing two light yellow garments , looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet. He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him. (Sunan Abu Dawood)

Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) saw me wearing two clothes dyed in saffron(i.e. yellow), whereupon he said: These are the clothes (usually worn by) the non-believers, so do not wear them.
(Sahih Muslim)
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Saffron (a strong orange to strong yellow) colour is not the same as "light yellow".

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Saffron (a strong orange to strong yellow) colour is not the same as "light yellow".
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All i know is that both are called "zard" in translations made by non-ahmedi muslims and they havent differentiated between them.