What is so Islamic about Jirga systems?

It’s just another day for you & me in paradise

Confronted between tribal customs and religious edicts, jirga’s hv decided in favor of tribal traditions. Why are tribal traditions considered to be superior over religious commandments? Why are the political-right silent when their tribal traditions are in clear violations of Islamic values? Is collective punishment permitted by Islam for crimes such as murder?

http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/may2005-daily/25-05-2005/national/n5.htm

Jirga executes two murderers
HANGU: Two men accused of murdering a taxi driver were executed by a firing squad on Tuesday on the orders of a Jirga in Orakzai Agency, witnesses said. The two accused, Taj Muhammad and Muhammad Omar, were gunned down in the presence of scores of tribesmen, resident Shahid Khayal Muhammad told AFP. “They were executed in front of us and scores of other people also watched it,” Khayal said. The pair and another man who has not been captured were sentenced to death by the Jirga for allegedly killing cab driver Muhammad Ayub two weeks ago, he said. The relatives of the driver petitioned their case before the tribal elders and named the alleged killers. After a brief hearing the Jirga announced the death penalties. A government official in Orakzai district confirmed the shooting. “The incident has occurred in Orakzai’s Dabori village, and we are preparing an official report on it,” Rafiullah told AFP.

Next day, editorial published by DAWN laments jirga decision…

http://www.dawn.com/2005/05/26/ed.htm

Flawed precepts

IN yet another gruesome example of tribal justice, two men have been publicly executed by a firing squad in Orakzai Agency for allegedly killing a taxi driver, while a third, accused in the same murder, failed to turn up at the jirga that pronounced the verdict. The jirga stated that if the absconding accused was not produced before the council, his uncle would be executed in his place. It is flawed judgments such as these that raise questions about the social legitimacy of the country’s tribal councils that have, in effect, created a parallel legal system. Tribal councils are now an anachronistic institution. In the past, they might have performed useful functions, but under the changed circumstances, their credibility is being questioned. Those who man them might think they are operating in remote areas, protected by their isolation, but their verdicts are picked up by the print and electronic media.

And, as an increasing number of press reports indicate, instead of adjudicating between right and wrong, many such forums in the country are guilty of abusing a wide range of human rights. By sanctioning gang-rape, child marriages, and collective punishment in order to redress local grievances, they are striking at the very roots of civil society and regressing to an era when state institutions were unknown and national boundaries had yet to be demarcated. Obviously, in a place like Orakzai and others that are far removed from the national mainstream, it is to be expected that tribal forums would have a mediatory role to play in settling quarrels. But surely it is about time the government took a stricter view of the serious anomalies that exist in this perverse system of justice and implemented measures to remove them. True, its own ranks consist of many politicians who, as products of feudalism, patronize the jirga system. However, this should not prevent the government from setting parameters for the functions of these councils so that their actions are kept within the ambit of federal law and do not, in any way, infringe on human rights and dignity.

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These people… Every square millimetre of their flesh and bone is stuffed to the rim with unbridled ignorance.

Jaahiliyyat ehna di nass nass vich kutt kutt ki parri hovi aa.

This is just one of the incidents that portrays their stupidity when it comes to making legal judgments, and trust me their backwardness isn’t just limited to matters pertaining to law.

This has nothing to do with religion, this is their xenophobic stubbornness in clinging to their outdated and uncivilised principles, even the Mullahs amongst them are a shame to the Muslim communities because usually when they are presented with two choices one in the light of Islam and the other in conformity with their principles they will chose the latter because how their society views them is very important to them, usually Islam is only for lip service and following when it’s in conformity with their principles or a chance to display their shar-pasand nature.

If they want to get out of this backwardness they need to swallow their pride and exchange their principles for Islamic values and ethics the way Islam requires them.

eagerly awaits the andey tamaatar

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They created Pakistan with all these jahil tribal areas, assuring these tribes and sardars great autonomy in killing and maiming their subjects.

Now, ppl call Jinnah a lawyer and constitutional freedom fighter. What greater disservice can u do by letting these ppl kill and maim their subjects?

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Jirgas and any variation of them (panchyats) are generally supposed to be places where consensus is preferred (Ijma) ..while I don't agree with them per se..but they can be effective forms of justice

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Hmm…25 ppl in Jirga can consent to kill whole family, and that is fine? I mean, it is fine with me, if they do that outside the borders of Pakistan. But within Pakistan, this is big time stupidity.

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^ where did I say it was fine? in Pakistan there are 4 sets of legal systems in existence..one is Panchyat/Jirga laws..the second is the British Colonial legal system, the third is the Pseudo Shariah laws introduced by Zia and finally the laws of the ruling class (essentially whatever the ruler says goes).

What goes on in the Tribal areas is done with tacit approval of the Federal government, collective punishment is used as a standard practice to deal with erring tribes..read what happened to the people of Waziristan if you don't believe me..

At a broader level if one was to simply in one go out law the local councils you'd have total chaos..why? well judicial backlog is so severe in Pakistan people rarely expect Justice from the courts (which are themselves highly corrupt and susceptible to influences) ..I remember one stat of there being a backlog of 25,000 cases for one judge in lahore...

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Well said bro…

Its bad enuff we hv these xenophobic jangli’s deciding for themselves, we now hv their copycats running around the country trying to impose their set of values on the rest. Iam afraid, Pakistan is in for a real battle of values and ideas. If civil society fails to impress and dominate, Taliban will appear to be benign once they (right wing fundos) finish with their agenda.

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I agree with u Zakk that it is failure of the State to establish its writ not thru the barrel of the Gun but by providing its citizens with protection and recourse to legal action.

Here, the issue which is being raised is civil societies inability to confront such practices. Why is their no outrage expressed by any quarter when such stories are reported? If collective will of the ppl was to raise their concerns and hv them registered by way of public criticism as Mukhtaran Mai case was done then it becomes very difficult for these ppl to operate. That is the intent here by highlighting such gross violations of human rights.

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^In case of FATA the locals have been attempting to reform the FCR for ages ..every attempt has been stymied by Isloo..even on gupshup when pictures and stuff was posted about what was being done in Waziristan we had people praising the move.

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Zakk, there should be one civil law for every person in the state. Provinces and state can be independent in some manner, but not the level of having their own legal system. I even don't favor Indian govt giving any legitamcy to some shariat board or enact muslim laws. This is stupidity.