What is Islam for a truth-seeker?

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Religion(Islam specifically) is based on revelation, i.e. you had to accept that it is revealed on prophet, and further you got have the basic faith, and also you got to follow the life according to what Islam had said, and that there is a hell and heaven. And alot of other explainations.

Now as a truth-seeker, If i look at this whole scenario, there are many other religions like islam, and there are many other explainations of the world other then religious, the most common is scientific which is growing yet. Now in this context how could i know that,

Is there any true explaination out there?

If any which one is the true one?

And how islam is the true one?

This third question can’t be addressed from within the islam, because for that one had to already recognize islam as a truth. And thats my reason for putting this question in philosophy forum rather then islamic one.

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Read Iqbal's book - Reconstruction of religious thought in Islam.

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There are signs in the Quran for those who believe. Only the intelligent see the signs, and take action.

The Quran is filled with metaphors. Metaphors which were revealed 1400 years ago, which have been proven true only recently, using modern 21st century technologies.
Refer to the topic below, for a few examples:
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=196979&page=1&pp=30

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Just put "Islam" in google and you'll find a million websites with the answer.

www.harunyahya.com

www.harunyahya.net

is a good place to start.

And just to point out, Islam and science are not opposites as you might think. Scientific research in Islam is equal to worship. So the scientific way of explaining things is the Islamic way.

The Qur'an, revealed 1400 years ago in a desert amongst the most backward people of the time to a person who could neither read nor write, talks about many scientific subjects, and not one word contradicts established science. It talks about facts that science is confirming only now(the expanding universe and the big crunch, to site am example). Apart from that, it talks about historic events, and predicts quite a few. There's just too much to say, so Google away! And while you do, keep an open mind. May Allah guide you to the right path.

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Hello Everyone:

Thanks for the responses, but i was looking for a discussion, rather then getting links. Other then my own site this is the only Pakistani forum which contains the Philosophy forum, so thats why i was looking to pick a discussion with some thinking mind. Anyways, here are my responses.

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The Quran is filled with metaphors. Metaphors which were revealed 1400 years ago, which have been proven true only recently, using modern 21st century technologies.

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Originally posted by MundaPakistani

And just to point out, Islam and science are not opposites as you might think. Scientific research in Islam is equal to worship. So the scientific way of explaining things is the Islamic way.

The Qur'an, revealed 1400 years ago in a desert amongst the most backward people of the time to a person who could neither read nor write, talks about many scientific subjects, and not one word contradicts established science. It talks about facts that science is confirming only now(the expanding universe and the big crunch, to site am example). Apart from that, it talks about historic events, and predicts quite a few.
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Actually the point of view that Islam contains scientific facts or that Islam and science are compatible are wrong. There many ways to prove this point but the most stragiht forward one is that.

Islam by its nature demands certainty, like you are required to have an absolute faith, the faith in which you believe in God with 100% certainty. Like if you believe that God is Just, then you should believe this without any doubts, i.e. certainly.

Now science is no way like this at first, science never provides any certain truths, Because science is mostly based on induction, and induction can't provide us with the certain truths, There is always some chance of being wrong. And since science is based on induction so it never proves anything, Proof is logical and mathematical concept. And logically induction can only lead us to probable truths.

Now if we accept that Islam really contains the scientific facts then this isn't working for the cause of Islam, why because this is proving islam to be prone to errors, And on contrary God can't make mistakes, So there is simply no possibility that Islam can be wrong.

I'll entertain any kind of questions but i'll recommend any material on philosophy of science before rejecting my point of view.

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Originally posted by _Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

There are signs in the Quran for those who believe. Only the intelligent see the signs, and take action.

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If i lack that intelligence, since my intelligence is pointing me to the otherside, then how this is my sin? I'll accept that this can be my error, if it is shown to be so. But how possibly this can be my Sin?

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But why then all the major inventions took place in non muslim & by non muslims ?
What I mean to say that Knowledge without application is as good as no knowledge !!

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Your theory is not widely recognized. It actually sounds very stupid, no offense.

To invent, u need resources.

These are a few signs which the Quran mentions:

  • saddles which really are not saddles.
    This refers to cars if your read more about it. It doens’t necessarily mean we will invent cars.

  • journeys around the globe will be made shorter.
    This refers to airplanes, and steamboats, and trains, and cars which can get you from one destination to the other in no time, as compared to the travelling which was done in the pre-modern era (i.e. horses/camels).

  • camels will be obsolete
    This is basically common sense. Camels were used for travelling before cars had been invented, and now they are obsolete. This doesn’t mean Muslims had to invent the car. The Quran just shows these signs as proof that what it says is true.

The point behind revealing these signs is to show proof for it being true. All these signs were revealed 1400 years ago, many are yet to come, many have come, and many required modern-day technological equipment to prove, and now many have been proven.

Inventions have nothing to do with anything. Nowhere in the Quran does it say, that all of the major inventions interrelated to the signs in the Quran, will be made by Muslims.

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If you’ve heard of the Quran (which you have), you should open it up, read it, understand it and compare it to other texts, if you are a non-believer. If you see the signs in the Quran, which are quite clear, and refuse to believe in them, even after they’ve been proven, time and time again (refer to the link, I posted earlier), than it is your sin. You saw it, and u chose not to believe.
As for, if you’ve heard of the Quran, and just chose not to read it and/or understand it, then its your sin, because you didn’t even bother to look inside it.
If you’ve never heard of the Quran, then there is no sin upon you.

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Originally Posted by _Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

If you see the signs in the Quran, which are quite clear, and refuse to believe in them, even after they've been proven, time and time again (refer to the link, I posted earlier), than it is your sin. You saw it, and u chose not to believe.

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I think you have magically ignored to read some the real remarks from me over which i had based the assertions, to which you had responded, i'll reproduce those lines here for you,

*Actually the point of view that Islam contains scientific facts or that Islam and science are compatible are wrong. There many ways to prove this point but the most stragiht forward one is that.

Islam by its nature demands certainty, like you are required to have an absolute faith, the faith in which you believe in God with 100% certainty. Like if you believe that God is Just, then you should believe this without any doubts, i.e. certainly.

Now science is no way like this at first, science never provides any certain truths, Because science is mostly based on induction, and induction can't provide us with the certain truths, There is always some chance of being wrong. And since science is based on induction so it never proves anything, Proof is logical and mathematical concept. And logically induction can only lead us to probable truths.

Now if we accept that Islam really contains the scientific facts then this isn't working for the cause of Islam, why because this is proving islam to be prone to errors, And on contrary God can't make mistakes, So there is simply no possibility that Islam can be wrong.

I'll entertain any kind of questions but i'll recommend any material on philosophy of science before rejecting my point of view.
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What i had said about my understanding was based on above lines, now if my understanding leads me to this conculsion, How this can be my Sin?

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It is obviously your sin, because you are not accepting what is in the Quran. What you said about science is true. Most of it is based on trends. So u cannot be certain if science will agree with the Quran or not. That is why u have the Quran. It is not based on trends, but facts. & unless you can prove any of them wrong, I won't change my stance. You can choose to not believe, and that is a sin, because you are denying Allah's words.

Also, find me one sign from the Quran which had been proved by science, and then discarded.

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Haha, that put an end to the so called intellectual and “philosophical discussion”. :slight_smile:

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Give one example of which is yet to come with some links & references. ( min two ! )

Be precise, i dont expect 200 words of unrelated stupidity, I mean :bukbuk: :bukbuk: :bukbuk: .

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and the deaf dialogue kept on going…

back to your very deep intelligent thoughts :
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Actually the point of view that Islam contains scientific facts or that Islam and science are compatible are wrong. There many ways to prove this point but the most stragiht forward one is that.
let’s just stick to that…science and Islam are separate, so you can open your mind about any kinds of scientific thoughts on one hand, and believe in Qu’ran on the other!

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Because science is mostly based on induction, and induction can't provide us with the certain truths, There is always some chance of being wrong.

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Science is prone to error, but it does reach to final conclusions with definite certainty. For example, once it was a theory that earth revolves around the sun, but now it is proven without any shadow of doubt.