What is Gog and Magog?

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Destino’s posts are Ahmedi falsifications! Lahore-Kei-Cheetei, do you prescribe to that faith as well?

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I do not prescribe to that faith, but if you believe what is written in his post if false, then I would like to see you try and prove them wrong, as most of things he has cited come directly from the Quran & Hadeeth.

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There is no need to prove him or any Ahmedi/Qadyani wrong. The reality is crystal clear and doesn’t need any arguments or debate. You just need open eyes to see it.

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Interesting points about the numbers Lahore Ka Cheetah. I did not look at this from military logistics point of view.

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1. Here are some ayahs regarding the punishment of Nations and Gog Magog.

Surah 21. The Prophets.

  1. Whoever works any act of righteousness and has faith,- His endeavour will not be rejected: We shall record it in his favour.

  2. But there is a ban on any population which We have destroyed: that they shall not return,

  3. Until the Gog and Magog are let through (their barrier), and they swiftly swarm from every hill.

  4. Then will the true promise draw nigh (of fulfilment): then behold! the eyes of the Unbelievers will fixedly stare in horror: “Ah! Woe to us! we were indeed heedless of this; nay, we truly did wrong!”

Tell me if Gog Magog is captured by a dam between two mountains, how they will come from every hill? Did you forget the globle warming?

2. Well, here is the answer to your 2nd question about Noah’s Flood by Brother Dr. Zakir Naik. I have contacted him about this question so here is the answer.
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NOAH (PBUH) AND THE FLOOD

****The Biblical description of the flood in Genesis chapter 6, 7 and 8 indicates that the deluge was universal and it destroyed every living thing on earth, except those present with Noah (pbuh) in the ark. The description suggests that the event took place 1656 years after the creation of Adam (pbuh) or 292 years before the birth of Abraham, at a time when Noah (pbuh) was 600 years old. Thus the flood may have occurred in the 21st or 22nd Century B.C.

This story of the flood, as given in the Bible, contradicts scientific evidence from archaelogical sources which indicate that the eleventh dynasty in Egypt and the third dynasty in Babylonia were in existence without any break in civilisation and in a manner totally unaffected by any major calamity which may have occurred in the 21st century B.C. This contradicts the Biblical story that the whole world had been immersed in the flood water. In contrast to this, the Qur’anic presentation of the story of Noah and the flood does not conflict with scientific evidence or archaeological data; firstly, the Qur’an does not indicate any specific date or year of the occurance of that event, and secondly, according to the Qur’an the flood was not a universal phenomenon which destroyed complete life on earth. In fact the Qur’an specifically mentions that the flood was a localised event only involving the people of Noah.

About atlantis, here is the answer.

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The idea of an ancient but advanced civilization destroyed by its own excesses has long been told by many cultures.

In 370 B.C., The Greek philosopher Plato wrote of Atlantis in the dialogues “Timaeus” and “Critias.” The story came from the then 200 year old records of the Greek ruler Solon, who heard of Atlantis from an Egyptian priest.

Plato said that Atlantis lay in the Atlantic Ocean near the Straits of Gibraltar until its destruction 10,000 years earlier.

Plato described Atlantis as an advanced empire that ruled over many lands, from Libya to Europe. After it failed to conquer the Greeks, it was destroyed in a single day by massive earthquakes and floods; Atlantis sank into the sea.

Source.: http://users.cihost.com/ata/atlantis.htm

**Another link. http://www.atlantishistory.com/end.htm#J.%20Flood

And : http://occult-advances.org/language.shtml

http://www.dailynews.lk/2005/07/30/z_p21-spice275.jpg

http://www.atlantishistory.com/

Well he had four sons, Ham, Sam, Yafis and Kanan. Kanan died in the flood as he was a denier.

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If it is indeed a dam…then which one is it?:konfused:

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OMG:

First thing is that about Sailaab-e-Nooh, we do not have any disagreement… it’s the bible where facts are corrupted… I also believe that Flood of Nooh:as: was only part of world where nation of Nooh:as: was living; however, I also believe that since it was the initial history of human beings, those were the only humans in the entire world… The huamn race expended after the flood when his three sons travelled around the world and settled at different places… That is the reason he is also called Adam-e-Saani

Now as for Yajooj Majooj, my approach is always to look in the quran and anything that is not clearly told, I do not interpret it on my own but look in how prophet:saw: interpreted… Quran is not explicit about Yajooj Majooj being the water coming down from mountain tops… IT is how you read the ayaahs and then how you interpreted yourself… I, for one, look for what Rasoolulah:saw: said about them and where are those SAHEEH ahaadeeth… I am still of the faith that Yajooj Majooj are but humans from the pregeny of Yafiz bin Nooh.

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Indeed, one needs to open his/her eyes to see it. Now let me rephrase what I said. If you can prove Quran & Hadeeth wrong (as posted in Destino's post), I would like to see you try.

Suspicion is a very big sin. I hope you know that as well. Do not be suspicious of someone, especially if you haven't read his/her post completely.

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Well, about Ahadeeths, I would tell you that I have read 6 books of Ahadeeths including Saheeh Bukhari, Sunan Abbi Daud, Abi Maja and Mashkuat. Also Nehj-ul Balagha, hadeeths of Sayyedna Ali :rz:. Al Farooq, life history of Sayyedna Ummer :rz:. Kashf-ul Mahjoob etc.

I have this Hadeeth Software on my PC as well and I can search for any Hadeeth when I need. Including all books.

In Al-Farooq, Sayyedna Ummer :rz: has delivered a speech over Hadeeth topic. Once he said to the preachers while sending them to other areas, " When you preach Islam, seldom try to qoute Hadeeths. Because otherwise people will leave Qur’an and will get into Ahadeeths."

Second, he told a criteria to judge a hadeeth.

1: Riwayat. Means who has qouted the Hadeeth. And by how many number of people it is qouted.

2: Durra’yat. Means if the hadeeth matches the personality and way of thinking of Sayyedna Muhammad and if the Hadeeth doesnot controdict with any Quranic verse.

So the hadeeth have conflicts with such ayahs.

  1. Wa ma ar salna-ka il-lul rehmatal-lil aa lameen.

  2. Islam is the chosen one religion for all mankind.

  3. Quran is revealed to all manking.

  4. Sayyedna Muhammad :saw: is last prophet and was sent to all humanity.

  5. Allah does not punish a nation but if the kill or reject a prophet.:as:

  6. Any nation which is punished can’t come back until Gog Magog comes.

  7. No one has to bear the punishment of other wrong deeds.

  8. Man gets what he tries.

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Some sciencetific conclusions…

  1. If they are living there till the era of Sayyedna Zulqarnain. Then they must be over populated.

  2. They must be in contact with other humans as well as all humans are equal.

Suppose if they are human than we have to believe…

  1. Islam is the chosen religion for all mankind except Gog Magog.

  2. Sayyedna Muhammad :saw: was sent to all mankind except Gog Magog.

  3. Quran is the last book and is revealed to all mankind except Gog Magog.

  4. All humans are equal as they are decendents of Addam :as: except Gog Magog. :rolleyes:

Well, if they are human they must be taught Islam. Its their right. And it is our duty. Especially after Sayyedna Muhammad :saw: because he is the last prophet to all mankind and his messege is universal. So Islam should be preached to Gog Magog as well.

If we won’t do it, we will be punished. We can’t make any excuse.

Well, about my interperation of Gog Magog, I came to know by my search and also the exact meanings of the word which is " Great Waves".

Hope I made any sence.

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OMG - you are an encyclopedia of knowledge. Very Impressive.

I will not even bother to think about if they [Gog Magog] are human or not. I should be thinking what I have done wrong in the past and pray to Allah :swt: to forgive me. And try to be good in future.

But I thoroughly enjoyed reading the discussion between you 2 [OMG + AQ]. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

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Well I am just a student of Dr. Zakir Naik and member of IRF.

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I have heard that the King who entombed the Gog and Magog was Alexander the Great....

any theories about this.....

also do you think that Gog and Magog are buried under a mountain?

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:rolleyes:

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also, what about the theory that gog and magog are buried under a mountain which is under a glacier

and that the wall they are trying to break is actually the glacier ice and that Allah restoring the wall each night could be snowfall filling up the glacier

and due to global warming, the yajuj and majuj will break out

what do you think?