Re: What is Gog and Magog?
Well, Quran is the only book which is La ra'e ba feh...means Without any doubt.
Second, compare any Hadith with Quran. If it controdict with Quran, leave it.
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Quran mentions Gog and Magog as people and refers to them as a group of people. "them" and not some inanimate object.
O Dhu-l-Qarnain! Gog and Magog do mischief in the land. May we then pay thee tribute on condition that thou raise a barrier between us and them? (18:94.)
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[18:93] When he reached the valley between two palisades, he found people whose language was barely understandable.
[18:94] They said, "O Zul-Qarnain, Gog and Magog are corruptors of the earth. Can we pay you to create a barrier between us and them?"
[18:95] He said, "My Lord has given me great bounties. If you cooperate with me, I will build a dam between you and them.
[18:96] "Bring to me masses of iron." Once he filled the gap between the two palisades, he said, "Blow." Once it was red hot, he said, "Help me pour tar on top of it."
[18:97] Thus, they could not climb it, nor could they bore holes in it.
[18:98] He said, "This is mercy from my Lord. When the prophecy of my Lord comes to pass, He will cause the dam to crumble. The prophecy of my Lord is truth."
[18:99] At that time, we will let them invade with one another, then the horn will be blown, and we will summon them all together.
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^ Perfect! I was just listenin to it last night..but in urdu I kind a lost the meaning what the translator was tryin to say..this makes more sense. thanx :k:
OMG: see in Surah Kahf it is mentioned as human being and how u know dr shahid masood dont know the arabic 
[added] I read somewhere online (forgot where) that the yajoj majoj try their best everyday to break that wall and every night they head back saying we will do it tomorrow again but forget to say Insha’allah…so the day they will say Insha’allah they will break through by the will of Alllah. Now I can’t remember where I read it 
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[18:93] When he reached the valley between two palisades, he found people whose language was barely understandable.
[18:94] They said, "O Zul-Qarnain, Gog and Magog are corruptors of the earth. Can we pay you to create a barrier between us and them?"
[18:95] He said, "My Lord has given me great bounties. If you cooperate with me, I will build a dam between you and them.
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Why he didnot killed them? Or captured them? To punish them? WHy built a dam?
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[18:96] "Bring to me masses of iron." Once he filled the gap between the two palisades, he said, "Blow." Once it was red hot, he said, "Help me pour tar on top of it."
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Two mountains....he built a dam between two mountains.
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[18:97] Thus, they could not climb it, nor could they bore holes in it.
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Well, it was copper. Everyones knows that copper takes much time to be desolved than iron. Yes, its an iron wall but coated with copper.
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[18:98] He said, "This is mercy from my Lord. When the prophecy of my Lord comes to pass, He will cause the dam to crumble. The prophecy of my Lord is truth."
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[18:99] At that time, we will let them invade with one another, then the horn will be blown, and we will summon them all together.
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EMM, if they are people, how they live on EVERY TOP?
Its simple. Water is in frozen form on every top of mountain.
BTW, Yajooj Majooj mean Great Waves. WTH.
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^ lol this is confusing now :S
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Cyrus the great did not fight the Gog and Magog as they were wild marauding tribes in the wilderness of what is now Russia. Its would have been a wild goose chase on horse back in the biggest territory in the world.
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Ok I did some research and based on ahaadeeth, I can say, without any fear of contradiction with Quran, that Yajooj and Majooj were two sons of Yafiz Bin-Nooh:as: according to one narration
Some Ahadeeth:
In a lengthy hadith by Syedana Nawwas ibn Sam’aan:razi:, Rasulullah :saw: is reported to have said:
"…Allah will send revelation upon Eesa (A.S.) that ‘Such a creation of mine is now going to emerge that no power will be able to stop them. Therefore take my servants and ascend the Mount of Toor.’ Then Ya’jooj and Majooj will emerge and surge forth in all their fury. When those from among them who constitute the former part of their army pass the lake of Tiberias (which is in northern Palestine), they will drink up all the water of that lake and by the time those that constitute the latter part of that same army pass the lake, they will say, "There used to be water here (long ago). When they reach the Mount of Khamr in Jerusalem, they will arrogantly proclaim: ‘We have conquered the people of the earth, now we will annihilate those in the sky.’ So saying they will fire their arrows towards the sky. When the arrows return to the ground they will be blood stained.
In the meantime, Eesa:as: will be on the Mount of Toor with his followers. At that time the head of and ox will be as valuable as is a hundred dinars to you in this day. Faced with these hardships, Eesa :as: and his followers will make dua unto Allah. As a result, Allah will cause sores to appear on the necks of each and every individual of these people which will cause their death suddenly. When Eesa (A.S.) and his followers descend from the Mount of Toor there will not be a single space on the land where the dead rotting bodies of these people is not littered, giving off a horrendous odour. Eesa (A.S.) and his followers will once more supplicate unto Allah as a result of which Allah will send down huge birds whose necks will be as thick as that of the necks of camels, and they will dump these bodies in a place where Allah wills. (According to a narration by Tirmidhi, they will be dumped at a place called Nahbal).
Allah:swt: will then send down a heavy rain, the waters of which will flow in every part of the earth cleansing it thoroughly. It will rain for a period of forty days.
The Muslims will then burn the bows and arrows of the Ya’jooj and Ma’jooj for a period of seven years.
Allah will order the earth to yield forth its crops in abundance and there will be such blessing and prosperity that one pomegranate will be sufficient for a whole group while the peel thereof will suffice to cast a shadow over them. The milk of one camel will be sufficient for many groups while one milk giving cow will be sufficient for a whole tribe. One milk giving goat will be sufficent for a whole family…"
(Saheeh Muslim)
Hadhrat Abu Saeed Khudri(RA) narrates that Rasulullah:saw: said:
"On the day of Qiyamah Allah will say to Adam (A.S.) to pick out the Jahannamis from his entire progeny. Adam (A.S.) will ask: ‘O Rabb, who are they?’
Allah will say: ‘Nine hundred and ninety nine of a thousand are Jahannami while the one is a Jannati.’
On hearing this the Sahaba were overtaken by fear and they asked "O Rasulullah (SAW), who will that one Janniti be?’
Rasulullah:saw: said: ‘Do not grieve, the nine hundred and ninety nine will be Ya’jooj and Ma’jooj while you will be the Jannati."’ (i.e. your numbers in relation to them will be one in a thousand).
(Saheeh Al Bukhari and Saheeh Al Muslim)
Hadhrat Abdullah ibn Umar (R.A.) says that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said:
“Allah Ta’ala divided mankind into ten parts. Nine tenths constitute Ya’jooj and Ma’jooj while the remaining tenths constitutues the rest of mankind.”
Hadhrat Abu Hurairah (R.A.) narrates that every day Ya’jooj and Ma’jooj break (dig) through the wall erected by Zul Qarnain (A.S.) until they reach the end of it to that extent that they can actually see the light on the other side. They then return (home) saying that ‘We will break through tomorrow.’ But Allah Ta’ala causes the wall to revert to its original thickness and the next day they start digging through the wall all over again, and this process continues each day until as long as Allah wills them to remain imprisoned. When Allah wishes them to be released, then at the end of the day they will say, “If Allah wills, tomorrow we will break through.” The following day they will find the wall as they had left it the previous day (i.e. it will not have returned to its orginal state) and after breaking the remaining part of it they will emerge."
(Ahmad, Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah)
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^ WOW. Great research brother.
Do you believe that lizzard were human before? If yes, then I will accept that Gog Magog are human too.
PS: I said, please qoute only Quranic verses. There is no gaurenty about Ahadith books. QUran is the only book which is **La ra-e Ba feh. Hudalil mutt’a qeen. **Means, without any doubt and guidence for muslims.
Hope I cleared my point.
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I’m sorry I’m not a munkir-e-hadeeth and the relevent quranic ayaahs, IN MY UNDERSTANDING, perfectly conform with the above narrations of ahaadeeth. I firmly believe that Yajooj and Majooj are two nations named after two brothers Yajooj & Majooj, progeny of The son of Nooh:as:… Yafiz. There is no doubt in Quran and Quran talks about Yajooj & Majooj and ahaadeeth tell me and explain me for Quran can not be followed without the guidance of Prophet:saw:
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Well said, because I was doubtful I read an authentic Hadeeth from Bukhari and Gog and Magog are two undefined entities.
Well said Qureshi bhai.
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I read the tafsir of Surah Kahf, of Ibn Katheer, and without doubt they are Humans the Gog and Magog.
I will paste the entire discussion below, in detail please do care to look into this.
(92. Then he followed (another) way,)
(93. Until, when he reached between two mountains, he found before them a people who scarcely understood a word.)
(94. They said: "O Dhul-Qarnayn! Verily, Ya'juj and Ma'juj are doing great mischief in the land. Shall we then pay you a tribute in order that you might erect a barrier between us and them'')
(95. He said: "That in which my Lord had established me is better. So help me with strength, I will erect between you and them a barrier.'')
(96. "Give me Zubar of iron;'' then, when he had filled up the gap between the two mountain-cliffs, he said: "Blow;'' then when he had made them (red as) fire, he said: "Bring me Qitran to pour over them.'')
Now the Tafsir, the very first point itself it clears a doubt the Yajooj and Majooj are Human
(92 Then he followed (another) way) meaning, he traveled from the east of the earth until he reached a place between the two mountains which were next to one another with a valley in between, from which Ya'juj and Ma'juj (God and Magog) will emerge into the land of the Turks and spread mischief there, destroying crops and people. Ya'juj and Ma'juj are among the progeny of Adam, peace be upon him, as was recorded in the Two Sahihs;
"Allah said: "O Adam.'' Adam said, "Here I am at Your service.'' Allah said, "Send forth the group of Hellfire.'' Adam said, "What is the group of Hellfire" Allah said: "Out of every thousand, nine hundred and ninety-nine will go to Hell and one will go to Paradise.'' At that time young men will turn grey and every pregnant female will drop her load. Among you are two nations who never come to anything but they overwhelm it with their huge numbers. (They are) Ya'juj and Ma'juj.''
There is whole tafsir on this of the above verses but will post it later.
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Brother AQ, I am not also munkir-e hadith. But let me tell you one thing.
When Allah punishes any naton, it vanishes. It does not continue. Even the Pharoh who is saved to the world, who was drown, is dead.
Allah converted a jew tribe into monkeys and pigs. But they died right after three days. Because it was their fault so the punishment remained to them only. Not to their decendents.
Second criteria which is written in Quran, to destroy a nation is: Allah does not kill or destroy a nation but if it rejects a prophet or kills a prophet :as:.
Well Sayyedna Noah :as: had three sons. Ham, Sam and Yafiz. Sayyedna Noah lived on Atlantis, which was sittuated between Europe and America. It was another continent which is now drown in the ocean, that ocean known as Atlantic Ocean. Yes, the continent was drown, the whole world was not drown during Toofan-e Noah. It is told in Quran that other nations were alive when toofan-e Noah striked.
It is changed in Bible that by Toofan-e Noah, the whole world sank.
Brother Wasim, would you like to qoute the Quranic verses with Arabic text? I will translate it for you.
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Although, all you said is off topic or may be I am not educated enough to relate all above to Yajooj Majooj, one or two corrections on your side.
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Allah destroyed those nations upon whom a RASOOL was sent and they denied him.. not when a Nabi was sent…
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Toofan-e-Nooh was only on part of this earth and mind you humans were living only that part of world at that time for it was beginning of the human race and human population was only confined to the area where Nooh:as: lived… Now I am not sure about your other research of Atlantis etc. Last time, I remember was that it was in the Arabian Land somewhere.. and the Ark of Nooh:as: landed on the mountain of Judi… later, his three sons, Haam, Saam, and Yafiz spread in the world [as I mentioned earlier] and all these nations came into existence… In fact, Dr. Israr Ahmed explained it in much more chronoligical and ligical order…
Yajooj & Majooj are human nations, progeny of Yafiz ibn Nooh.
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I agree with OMG here…I dont think they will be humans..if you put it to logic, they just cant be humans!
Maybe they are aliens from another planet who are frozen or stuck in some dam that cyrus built? :hehe: it did say their language was not understandable right…so thats another sign that they might not be humans.
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(93. Until, when he reached between two mountains, he found before them a people who scarcely understood a word.) **
do check out this interesting website for more info on who was cyrus
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Brother Wasim, would you like to qoute the Quranic verses with Arabic text? I will translate it for you.:)
Baby boy you dont have Quran, you want me to provide it for you. Do it yourself and help me out ok.
I have the Quran, with 3 translators.
English to Arabic Dictionary of quran by Abdul Basit.
But you want to translate go ahead and do it. I would rather believe in Ibn Katheer, Imam Bukhari, Imam Muslim.
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How would you explain these Ayaat, in Surah 53 Ayaat 2-4:
Your companion (Muhammad SAW) has neither gone astray nor has erred.
Nor does he speak of (his own) desire.
It is only an Inspiration that is inspired.
The word translated as inspiration is Wahee which is also translated as revelation, ie. even the speech of the Prophet is revelation which is inspired.
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Very good post Destino.
Even though I read only about half of it.
Another important thing to note:
Volume 4, Book 55, Number 553: Narrated Ibn Umar: Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal saying, "l warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed."
In other words, Allah is All-Seeing (Al-Basir), whereas Dajjal is not.
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Read the first 5-12 paragraphs of Destino’s post. It is very very informative.
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A few more things I would like to elaborate on, as mentioned in the last page.
It is mentioned that under each flag of their army (Dajjal's), there will be 70,000 men.
Now, in modern armies, in this age, a (average-sized) corps of the NATO (if I am not mistaken) constitutes of approximately 80,000 men.
Corps is a unit of an army (usually commanded by 1 Lieutenant General), like milimetres is a unit of measurement.
A second thing to note is the mention of 'fire eating, air breathing'. Sounds like a jet engine to me.
I will add more to the list, as I finish my research.