What Is Allah?

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"If God could be found by bathing in holy waters, frogs and fish would find Him.

If God were realized by cutting off your hair, sheep and goats, which are shorn for their wool,would realize Him too.

If God were found through nightly vigils,
bats and owls would find Him.

If God could be found through celibacy,
castrated bulls should also discover Him.

God is found by those, O Bahu,
who are pure of heart, noble of intent."

"Believers pray to God for the protection of faith,but few pray for the gift of His love.
I am ashamed at what they ask for,even more at what they are willing to yield.

Religion is quite unaware of the spiritual plane to which love can raise us."

“I offer my prayer in the temple of my heart – the only true place to worship God.”

“O Lord, keep my love for you ever fresh, says Bahu: I shall mortgage my religion for it.”

– Sultan Bahu

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Sultan Bahu is just

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Wonderful. Thank you.

*“na maiN momin vich masiitaaN, na maiN muusaa, na fir’aun!”
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If the believer understood the meaning of the saying 'the color of the
water is the color of the receptacle', he would admit the validity of all
beliefs and he would recognise God in every form and every object of faith.
-------------------------------Ibn al-Arabi

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wonderful!!!
u got any more? pls give us link or someitmng if u have more

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[quote]
Originally posted by ThandyMazaq:
** this is just crap, only islam is the true religion and being a hindu and claiming to know the god wont save you from hell....all these so called saints were the people who corrupted islam to what it is right now. instead of praising it, we should be condemming it... **
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Dear tandy,

Muslims will have to chose between a tolerant & humane Islam versus an extreme & fanatical version of Islam. We all know what side of the fence you stand on and I wish you good luck in your grand delusions.

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[This message has been edited by Girl from Quraysh (edited October 27, 2001).]

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First, my thanks to Iqra786, Ali_R & Husafer for their kind appreciation.

Dear Thandy,

Islam is about “Interpretations”. You certainly have your own unique idea of what Islam should be just like the Sufi Saints like Rumi, Ibn Arabi, etc had their own “interpretation” of what constitutes Islam.

I 've no doubt they - the Sufi saints, encountered similar attacks in their time which is why their writings are vouched with careful words. For example, check this out, which I posted a while ago whose central message is:
Islam is a religion of Peace.
If so, Thandy, should we listen to messages like yours or the alternative that stresses universality, peace & tolerance .
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[quote]
Originally posted by logical:
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If the believer understood the meaning of the saying 'the color of the
water is the color of the receptacle', he would admit the validity of all
beliefs and he would recognise God in every form and every object of faith.**
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Agreed in principal. To Love the creator is to love his creation as well. In Islam we are even told that God will forgive us for our duties to him which we did not perform, but not the duty we have to our fellow humans. The whole concept of Haqooq-al-iBaad is huge in Islam, unfortunately people conveniently forget about it.

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messages like mine?? excuse me for stating the fact that is essential to the believe of every muslim and if you dont believe in it, there is no point in calling your self muslim. that it, the believe that worshipping allah’s creations, or any thing but Allah will not result in salvation and only the worship of ONE GOD is essential and a duty of the people. and again, where did i preach intolerence??? those sufis can believe and act what they want to do, but all i m agianst is calling it islam and corrupting the message of islam. and about interpretations, yes there is lots of room about interpretations in islam but what those sufis claim is not islam, so please dont label it as so…like there possibility of worshipping some thing other than Allah and still being salvated and hippy stuff like every soul should be respected and stuff..if u believe in all those thigns then dont eat meat, or kill insects and stuff…becasue that is the teachings of sufis…universal soul and other crap they got from hinduism…but i am here with an open mind, if you can show me proof that what those sufis do is even allowed let alone encouraged in islam then i will stop my bashing of sufis and wont debate all this …happy now??

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[quote]
Originally posted by ThandyMazaq:
** aaa i beg to differ...sufism is a corruption of islam. it is almost a cult and its teaching are not in line with islam. they were the hippies of the past,just like hippies in 60's smoked pot and talked about peace, they drank bhang and sang qawallies and stuff... and about living in peace with non muslims, well i m a muslim too but i dont go around killing non muslims, or i dont even hate them. i dont have to be a sufi to be a peacelover.
thats what i think i know about sufism, usnelss you can give my evidence in your favor so i can understand your point.....**
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What green s- have you been smoking in recent years???
Read about sufism and then talk. I'm not talking about the wanna be sufis I'm talking about the true sufism and this is not corruption of ISLAM.....!
You know nothing about SUFISM, man. Think before you talk or talk before you think.
Elucidate yourself before posting here.
I don't have the time to waste my time with you on this, since you already proved that BS is a part of your life.
GOOD BYE!!

“na maiN* momin vich masiitaa*N, na maiN* muusaa, na fir'aun!”
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"We verily created man and We know what his soul whispereth to him and We are nearer to him than his jugular vein."
[The Holy Quraan L:16]

[quote]
Originally posted by ThandyMazaq:
** messages like mine?? excuse me for stating the fact that is essential to the believe of every muslim and if you dont believe in it, there is no point in calling your self muslim. **
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Dear Thandy

I consider myself a mumin. The word mumin is mentioned far more times in the Quran than the word - muslim and is used for follwers of all Abrahamic religions including muslim.

I am not a Hindu,
Nor a Muslim am I!
I am this body, a play
Of five elements; a drama
Of the spirit dancing
With joy and sorrow. ----Kabir.

[quote]
Originally posted by ThandyMazaq:
** that it, the believe that worshipping allah's creations, or any thing but Allah will not result in salvation and only the worship of ONE GOD is essential and a duty of the people. **
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Dear Thandy
Could you describe your "interpretation" of One Allah?

Do you think Allah is an entity sitting in one corner of this universe or some other universe or where?

Are we not all from Allah and to Him is our return (HQ).
Doesn't HQ say - Allah is in the heaven & the earths.... Light upon Light, Allah guides unto His Light whom he pleases.

Do you think that Christians worship the Son of God or God Himself?
Do you think that the Buddhists worship the Buddha idol or Spirit of God?
Do you think the Hindus worship their idols or the Spirit of God it represents?

I am, most certainly, sure that you have your "own unique interpretations" for these answers just like the others have their own.

When you tell others that they worship idols or take partners is akin to saying the Ka'ba is the biggest idol and baya'h to the prophet (ref. Surah 48:10) is shirk:

"Verily those who plight
Their fealty to thee
Do no less than plight
Their fealty to God:
The hand of God is
Over their hands:
Then anyone who violates
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Originally posted by ThandyMazaq:
** and again, where did i preach intolerence??? those sufis can believe and act what they want to do, but all i m agianst is calling it islam and corrupting the message of islam.:**
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Dear Thandy

is Islam 1400 years old or, old as time itself?

Sufism and Islam cannot be separated in the same way that higher consciousness or awakening cannot be separated from Islam. Islam is not an historical phenomenon that began 1,400 years ago. It is the timeless art of awakening by means of submission. Sufism is the heart of Islam. It is as ancient as the rise of human consciousness.

WaSalaam.

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[quote]
Originally posted by Ali_R:
** What green s- have you been smoking in recent years???
Read about sufism and then talk. I'm not talking about the wanna be sufis I'm talking about the true sufism and this is not corruption of ISLAM.....!
You know nothing about SUFISM, man. Think before you talk or talk before you think.
Elucidate yourself before posting here.
I don't have the time to waste my time with you on this, since you already proved that BS is a part of your life.
GOOD BYE!!

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well if i dont know any thing about sufism then please inform me about what have i been missing? tell me more about sufism and please instead of giving ur feelings this time give me some proof from quran or hadiths to proof that sufism is allowed in islam. and yeah, also inform me of the exact beliefs of sufis?? all i have heard is that dancing and qawallis and bhang is sufism, and they consider this better than praying five times a day and all this stuff about loving god so much that his commands are not obyed about praying and other facets of life...if this is sufism then yeah, i am better off with out this BS....

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[quote]
Originally posted by logical:
[BDear Thandy
Could you describe your "interpretation" of One Allah?

Do you think Allah is an entity sitting in one corner of this universe or some other universe or where?

Are we not all from Allah and to Him is our return (HQ).
Doesn't HQ say - Allah is in the heaven & the earths.... Light upon Light, Allah guides unto His Light whom he pleases.

Do you think that Christians worship the Son of God or God Himself?
Do you think that the Buddhists worship the Buddha idol or Spirit of God?
Do you think the Hindus worship their idols or the Spirit of God it represents?

I am, most certainly, sure that you have your "own unique interpretations" for these answers just like the others have their own.

When you tell others that they worship idols or take partners is akin to saying the Ka'ba is the biggest idol and baya'h to the prophet (ref. Surah 48:10) is shirk:

"Verily those who plight
Their fealty to thee
Do no less than plight
Their fealty to God:
The hand of God is
Over their hands:
Then anyone who violates

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so are you saying that any buddhist or christian or hindu or jew can simply go to heaven? then either u need to stop smoking pot or open quran to read what it says about shirk...no one, and i can say this for sure because allah has made it an obligation on him self, no one can go to heaven if he/she does not believe in onenes of god, and beleive that he is above the need to have a child or a wife and dirty human desires....and secondly, if you dont belive what it is said in quran , then thats it, faith does not exist in ur heart...now u can call this intolerance, or talibanization or what ever u wish...it still is kufr....its the people like you who have maligned the clear and simple religion of islam by intorducing the crap of philosophy....we dont need this...we have simple truths in our hearts and minds about the valadity of quran and hadiths and we dont need people telling us that there is some another way to reach heaven other than islam....because there is not...belive what you want but please leave islam alone, you are more than welcome to start your own religion where ur philosophical thoughts can be basis of your faith....but not islam....

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>>....because there is not...belive what you want but please leave islam alone, you are more than welcome to start your own religion where ur philosophical thoughts can be basis of your faith....but not islam....<<<

ThandyMazaq, worship in the manner you see fit, and let others worship in the manner they see fit. You know what you believe, so believe it, respect it, don't undermine the values you hold dear by ridiculing the beliefs of those that surround you. If you are truly sincere in wanting others to find the guidance you believe you possess, I truly believe there are much better ways to do so than those you have displayed in this thread.