What is Agnosticism (for Camille)

Camille asked me what is Agnosticism. Here is what I think it is:

Dear Camille,

I will start by 2 quotes from one of my favorite Agnostics, Clarence Darrow:

“The fear of God is not the beginning of wisdom. The fear of God is the death of wisdom. Skepticism and doubt lead to study and investigation, and investigation is the beginning of wisdom.”

“The modern world is the child of doubt and inquiry, as the ancient world was the child of fear and faith.”

These quotes are from memory, I am sure these quotes are true in their entirety (at least in essence), as they are my favorite quotes, and I often recite them to myself.

[NOTE: the term in the West is generally used for referring to those who don’t believe in the main tenants of Christian faith - a belief in God, a belief in immortality, and a belief in a supernatural book. However, this philosophy can be applied in disbelief of any religion].

The term “Agnostic” simply means someone who is unsure of the existence of God. The term is synonymous with “Freethought”, or “Rationalism”. Agnostic is also someone who also believes that human mind is not capable to know whether there is a cause (or an absolute truth). Agnostics also tend to value personal choice, personal freedom, and so forth to such a degree that the vast majority of them refuse to join anything because they do not wish to be characterized by some label. This actually leaves them without any actual political means to defend their position in our society (and often in Guppshupp). (This from of belief is strictly distinct from Atheism).

Thomas Henry Huxley coined this term in the late 19th century. I have read a lot of books about this kind of approach to religious and spiritual matters, and it makes a lot of sense to me. In the process, I have learnt to appreciate the wonderful ideals and characteristics that other religions offer, both mythological and western. The main lesson is to look at things objectively, make your own judgements, and don’t believe in values that contradict your “emotional intelligence”. Emotional Intelligence is a set of skills one possesses to relate to other people, and the environment. It is as important as the knowledge of one’s trade. Some well known (at least to me) Agnostics are Clarence Darrow, Robert Ingersol , and believe it not, Albert Einstein. I have a good collection of books and essays on Freethought. If anyone is interested, I will be happy to list references. In fact, you will not find any books in a store in the category called Agnosticism, there are books on all natural sciences, social sciences, humanities, philosophy, theology, that make a strong case for Agnosticism (or a weak case for believing).

As you can guess, Agnosticism is not a religious movement, it is just a way of thinking about why we need religions. It is distinct from post Christian movements such as Christian Science, or Church of Scientology, etc. This type of belief allows me to practice (should I wish) all religions. I can go to a Synagogue, or a Mosque (of course undercover), Church, Mandar, Gurdawara, Temple, etc. Isn’t that beautiful?

There is a movement to form an Agnostic Church now, but I am opposed to that. It also is against the foundations of such a belief. Forming a Church will mean becoming like other movements.

On a personal note:
I haven’t left the beliefs that I was born with, I have just added a few more as I have grown older and more Agnostic. As a young kid, in the mid 70s, there were riots against Ahmadis in Pakistan and my family suffered a lot during that period. I started to question religion as a child because all the suffering (simply because of one’s beliefs) did not make any sense to me. On my way to becoming a grown-up, I inquired about and read about various philosophies, and I found Agnosticism. Now I am such a good Agnostic, that I don’t even believe in Agnosticism.

NYAhmedi,

Wonderful stuff! Just loved the quotes by Clarence Darrow, how very relevant and true!

Hi NY Ahmadi,

Hope your well.
Thanks very much for your explanations on Agnostics, very interesting. The quotes you gave very much equate lack of wisdom with fear of God which I found a bit strange really. I think fearing God from the Islamic point of view is really to prompt mankind that there will some kind of accountability for the actions carried out in this world. I don't come from a very religious background and don't have a lot of preconceived ideas about Islam or any other religion, but I found the Quran to prompt the reader to learn and strive for knowledge and wisdom. I don't really understand your comment about the human mind not being capable of knowing whether there is an absolute truth or not, this seems very fatalistic to me and goes against the principles of striving for knowledge and wisdom to find out the truth - so much for the modern world being the child of inquiry or investigation as the beginning of wisdom. Why analyse 'why' we need religion, why not instead find out what is the truth?

I am really trying hard to be very objective in my quest to find the truth and from what I have read so far the Quran does not ask me not be be freethinking or rational. What if the Quran is the final truth? What if Clarence and others are barking up the wrong tree (to use an old English expression) as it were!! The Qur'an does not advocate blind faith in irrational doctrines and vague rituals, but appeals to our reason, and calls for an inquiry into the universe and the laws governing it. Its aim is for the unification of all humanity as one fraternity and the establishment of world peace along with the availability of sustenance for all its inhabitants. Now what freethinking rationalist would not want that? . The establishment of a society that is free from war, poverty, ignorance, superstition, fanaticism, discrimination, oppression, despondency and injustice, and one that flourishes with peace, prosperity, rationality, scientific achievement, equality, knowledge, tranquillity and fairness in all segments is the prime goal of Islam- that Islam, whose directives are given in the Qur'an. The programme of the Qur'an should not be judged by the beliefs and conditions of those who claim to be associated with it, but the absolute authority for all matters of Islam lies with the Qur'an. Whatever the Qur'an ratifies is Islamic, and what it refutes, is not. It's a long road to find out what the meaning of life is, which brings me to this quote (I think it was Jim Morrison) ' the road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom' - don't really agree with it but have always liked it for some reason.

Thanks for the info anyway, take care

Camille,

I just wanted to highlight one of the points you made, if I may, which I felt lends itself to the nature of this forum. That is where you say,

"..the programme of the Quraan should not be judged by the beliefs and conditions of those who claim to be associated with it.."

This is a point you have, so eloquently, made. I often find myself having to explain this to individuals, who for one reason or another find fault in Islaam (a'oodobillah) as a result of the actions of an individual/group claiming to be upon it. I have also had this thought more than once since joining this forum. And I include myself amongst those who may falsely represent the true beauty of Islaam.

Regarding agnosticism, personally I have a problem with the very nature of this school of thought; the God (Allah) I Know, love and fear (insha'allah) is, in His Divine existence, distinct from all that he has created, hence incomprehensible by the human rational mind which knows only the created and that which can be materially experienced. Ration tells us how to interpret the signs and relate them back to Allah but, as I said, by default, ration alone cannot lead us to Allah (as I know Him) because of His transcendency.

And Allah Knows best.