What is a Seal?

In easy semantics, it was explained to me when I was around 8-9 years old by an Imam-e-Masjid back in Karachi.

His name is Professor Hafiz Khalid Hussain. M.A. In Islamic Studies from Karachi University and a graduate of a Dar-ul-Uloom in Pakistan based on the teachings of Dar-ul-Uloom Deo Band. A proffessor of Islamic Studies in the Intermediate board of Karachi by profession and a full time Imam in the Jama’ Masjid.

It was time when our neighbourhood was bombarded by the people of Qadiyaani faith and every 5 house in a street was either bought or rented by them. Love for All; Hatred for None was their punch line when preaching. I was approached by some at that early age and suddenly I felt a need to consult Imam Khalid Hussain.

He told me that “Khatam” means “The Last;” however, it also means “Seal” in one meanings. But then, he gave me the best ever understanding that I am still convinced why it means the Last of all.

Seal. What is a seal? when you seal an envelope, can you put anything or take out anything thereafter unless you break it?

It’s the same. Once Prophet Muhammad:saw: is given the title of Seal, the prophethood has been sealed and no new prophet is to come, no zimmi, no last.

Since then, I became the part of Tehreek-e-Taffuz-e-Khatam-e-Nubuwat:saw:

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there is also a marine mammal which goes by the same name.

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Good for you.

By the way, look at what Dr. Israr and Maulana Qasim Nanotavi have to say about khatamiyyat of AnHuzur :saw:

The meanings of “Khataman-Nabiyeen”. By: Dr. Israr Ahmad, one of the severe opponent of Ahmadis.

http://www.real-islam.org/audio/khatam_israr.ram

Scholarly meanings of “Khataman-Nabiyeen” according to Maulana Qasim Nanotavi the Founder of Darul-Aloom Deoband. By: Maulana Kokab Noorani.

http://www.real-islam.org/audio/khatam_kokab.ram

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Very Interesting!

So, the seal will break when Old Isa :as: come again.

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JeevayPakistan: I will listen to them after I get home… Thanks for the links…

Not at all.. because Isa:as: was appointed as a prophet before Muhammad:saw: around 1500 years ago :slight_smile: He will come as a follower of Muhammad:saw:
He won’t come as a zimmi-whatever nabi ..

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You are contradicting yourself here. You said in your first post:

So according to your own statement, you have to break the seal if you need to take anything out from the envelop after it is sealed. Right?

So, if AnHuzur :saw: has already sealed the envelop, how come Isa :as: who is already in that envelop come out? Please explain

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nabi in the envelope.. you have a literal habbit of understanding anologies?

Seal = No appointment of a NEW Prophet … Is he coming with new laws and new prophethood?

Prophet Muhammad:saw: is the seal of Prophethood.

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So, where is the difference then. We also believe that no new Prophet will come who is bringing any NEW LAWS or NEW SHARIAT after AnHuzur :saw:. HIS LAW IS FINAL AND HIS SHARIA IS FINAL

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Zaki…

Let’s say someone has two kids…

Kid A was born 3 years before Kid B…

Kid A is raised to Arsh by Allah :swt: and is brought back to Earth 10 years later, will he cease being an elder brother to Kid B?

Obviously not…

Hence, Hz. Eesa :as: will not cease being an earlier Prophet but will appear again as an existing Prophet…

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All mammals are higher life forms than a creature whose entire life is spent rolling a ball of turd around…:smiley:

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And why would Allah do that to a prophet who He chose as Khatamun Nabiyyeen :saw:.

Let’s say that a house is attacked. And the owner of house cannot protect his sons and daughters, yet a neighbor comes in to protect them. Now, who would you think is better amongst holds the higher status and courage amongst the two?

Similarly, according to your interpretation, Allah alread knew that a time would come when Ummat of Muhammad :saw: will need a reformer or a prophet. Instead of a person from the ummat of AnHuzur :saw: , Allah (Nauzobillah) will borrow an old nabi from Ummat-e-Muswi for the reformation because Ummat-e-Muhammadi will not be competent/pioused enough (Nauzobillah) to attain the status of prophethood by following AnHuzur’s:saw: teachings.

However, if we study history, we see that ummat-e-Muswi had several ummati prophets who got prophethood following his teachings.

How absurd and preposterous would such an idea be. And how can a muslim, who claims to be a follower of AnHuzur :saw: who is Khatamun Nabiyyeen (The excellent of prophets) digest such an interpretation!

“I affirm it with full confidence that the excellences of Prophethood attained their climax in the Holy Prophet, peace be on him. The person who sets up a movement in opposition to him and puts forward some verity outside his Prophethood and withdraws from the fountain of Prophet hood is false and an impostor. I say it plainly that a person who believes in any one as a Prophet after the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, and breaks the seal of his Prophethood, is accursed. That is why no Prophet can arise after the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, who has not with him the seal of the Muhammadi Prophethood. The Muslims, who are opposed to us, are involved in the error that they believe in the coming of an Israeli Prophet, who would break the seal of Prophethood. I say that it is a manifestation of the spiritual power of the Holy Prophet and of his everlasting Prophethood that 1,300 years after him, the Promised Messiah has appeared under his training and instructions with the same seal of Prophethood. If this doctrine is kufr, I hold this kufr dear. But those whose reason has been darkened and who have not been bestowed any share in the light of Prophethood cannot understand this and hold it as kufr; whereas, this is a matter which proves the perfection of the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, and his everlasting life” (Al-Hakam, 10 June 1905, p. 2).

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Zaki Sahib: There are few things that need to be addressed in your logic.

  • There is a difference between Nabi and Rasool
  • All Rasool are Nabi but not all nabi are rasool.
  • A rasool is someone who brings a shariah - new laws and is appointed to a nation.
  • Nabi is a follower of the Rasool of that ummah and comes to revive the very laws.
  • Rasool can’t get killed however nabi can be killed.
  • Any nation who disobeyed its rasool was destroyed for e.g. Aad, Samud, Qom-e-Firoun (Hadhrat Mosa:as: was Rasool towards Qom-e-Qibt [Firoun] and a nabi towards bani Israel.
  • Hadhrat Isa:as: was Rasool towards Bani Israel. Bani Israel disobyed him but their punishment is on hold from Allah:swt: and it will be fulfilled by the Rasool:as: himself at the end of time.

and no he won’t come as a reformer (mujaddid)… A man from this ummah named Muhammad Bin Abdullah will be the Mujaddid at that time.

These are the very beliefs that separates Muslims from Qadiyanies.

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Please kindly post the source of all the above “rules”. Specifically, the one that says “- Rasool can’t get killed however nabi can be killed.”.

From your “rule” number 3 & 4, I take it that rasool holds a higher status than a nabi? if so, why would Jesus (AS) be stripped of a higher status and sent back to this world as a lower being? what sin did he commit? what is his fault? why would God do that to him?

Also, this time when/if he comes back, will he still be “Rasool towards Bani Israel” or would he be “Rasool/Nabi towards Umat-e-Muhammad”. If later is the case, how would he deal with the verse in Quran which will still call him Rosool of Bani-Israel?

"And call to mind when Jesus, son of Mary, said, ‘O children of Israel, surely, I am Allah’s Messenger unto you, fulfilling that which is before me of the prophecies of the Torah, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger who will come after me, his name being Ahmad. And when he came to them with clear proofs, they said, this is manifest sorcery.’ "

[43:58] And when the son of Mary is mentioned as an example, lo! thy people raise a clamour thereat;
[43:59] And they say, ‘Are our gods better, or he?’ They mention not this to thee but for the sake of disputation. Nay, but they are a contentious people.
[43:60] He was only Our servant, on whom We bestowed Our favour, and We made him an Example for the children of Israel.

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Which of the above mentiond cases did their prophet “come back” in time and destroy them with his own hands? Jesus(AS) who tought his(as) nation to turn the other cheek the first time he was here, will come back as a blood spilling maniac (nauzbillah) and will kill all christions, according to you guys that is! Does not sound very spiritual.

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Writings of the Promised Messiah (peace be on him), prose and poetry illustrate without doubt,
illustrate the profound and staunch faith the Promised Messiah (peace be on him) had in ‘Khatame-
Nabbuwat’. The depth and true understanding of ‘Khatame-Nabbuwat’ possessed by the Promised
Messiah (peace be on him) was without equal. The Ulema and other opponents cannot achieve an
iota of this understanding.
The Promised Messiah (peace be on him) says: “The charge leveled against me and my Jamaat that
we do not believe the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) to be ‘Khatamun-
Nabbiyeen’ is a calumny. The fact is, the force, the certainty, the passion and the solid conviction
with which we believe the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) to be ‘Khatamul-
Anbiyya’ is so strong and overwhelming and of such excellence that it is a hundred thousand times
stronger than the belief of our accusers. They have no inkling of the true meaning and significance
of ‘Khatamul-Anbiyya’ and ‘Khatame-Nabbuwat’. They inherited a word or two from their
ancestors but remain ignorant of the true meaning of this important concept.
We, on our part, believe the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) to be
‘Khatamul-Anbiyya with a God given insight into the meaning of this lofty station. This elixir of
heavenly wisdom that I have enjoyed is beyond the imagination of those not allowed to partake of
it.”(Malfoozat - Sayings of the Promised Messiah (peace be on him) vol. 1 pg. 328).
The Promised Messiah (peace be on him) further says: The sum total and the essence of our belief
is enshrined in “La llaha illalaho Muhammadur Rasool lullah : there is no God but Allah,
Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah”. The strong faith which we uphold in this life and with
which, by God’s Grace, we shall leave this worldly abode, is that our Lord and Master, Muhammad
Mustafa (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) is ‘Khatamun-Nabbiyeen’ and ‘Khatamul-
Mursaleen’. He is the best of all prophets. With his advent faith was perfected and reached its
zenith and is now the only route which directs man to attain closeness to our creator.” (Azala- i-
Auham pg. 69)
Yet again the Promised Messiah (peace be on him) says “The Holy Prophet surpassed all other
prophets in all noble traits i.e. in purity of heart and charitable disposition; in chastity and modesty,
in veracity and fairness, in his trust, faith and love of God. He was the best, the most complete, the
most exalted and the most radiant of all the prophets. That is why of all the prophets, the Holy
Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) was anointed the most with God’s perfect spirit.
He was the most magnanimous, most pure, most bright and his love of God was unsurpassed. That
is why he was chosen to be a recipient of the divine revelation that was the most powerful, flawless,
noblest and the most comprehensive. The like of which was never vouchsafed to anyone in the past
or to anyone in the future. He thus emerged as the mirror that reflected the divine attributes in the
best form. (Surma- i-Chasma- i-Arya pg. 23)

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Trooper Sahib: thoRaa thanDaa thanDaa khailiye.. aap kee saari shikaayaat door kar di jaaYen gee :slight_smile:

maiN zaraa jeevayPakistan Sahib ko jawaab day dooN.. ussi maiN aap ko saaray apnaY cut-paste kaa jawaab mil jaaYe gaa:flower1:

haaN tau JeevaY saahib: next time come with your homework done..

FIRST: Maulana Kokab Noorani is not a deobandi alim as you put it…

SECOND: you guys have inherited a gene of taking everything OUT OF CONTEXT… I just listened to your 51 second link of Dr. Israr Ahmed and realized I’ve already heard him in the very lecture for TWO hours..

Please, take some time out and DO LISTEN TO IT and next time do not take things out of context… Ain nawaazish ho gee:

http://www.tanzeem.org/tanzeemeislami/takmeel-e-risalat.ram

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Guys move on to something new. Discussing same thing which is debated more than 100 times here without reaching any conclusion is just a waste of time. These threads end up in name calling and ridicule of sacred personalities of various faiths.