What Indians do not know/realize about Pakistan

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Being from the Indian Occupied Kashmir, and having spent time in both sides, I agree 100% that Indians have no clue about Pakistan AT ALL. But Pakistanis equally have no clue about Indians.

One thing I must say though, Indians (including Indian Muslims) hate Pakistan A LOT more than Pakistanis hate India, mainly due to huge lack of knowledge and rampant nationalist media reporting in India. In Pakistan, you'd have people watching PTV news bashing India, then watching an Indian movie or drama.

In the streets of Pakistan, if you were to mention 'India' or the word 'Indian' to a common, they'd say something like 'bollywood - great movies' or wtte in general. However saying 'Pakistan' in an Indian street will generally result in a harsh reply.

To conclude, from my observations I gathered that Pakistani people are more interested in the lives and goings on of their western neighbours (perhaps because of the shared religion?) than India. Indians on the hand don't seem to care much about Pakistani people either, but just mentioning 'Pakistan' or 'Pakistani' seems to irk them.

P.S. These were my observations, you are free to disagree with them of course

Timepass - February
Timepass - February
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And don't you know the reason behind that. It is spelled PAKISTAN. If PAKISTAN was not India's neighbor, there would be no security problem for foreigners in India. and there would no need to shift IPL outside India.

India is having to pay the price for the anarchy that is Pakistan. Think Mumbai attacks.

Thank India that it has not done anything beyond "putting Pakistan down in International forums". Any other country in India's place would cut off all diplomatic ties with Pakistan at the very least.

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What Pakistan does not realize is that Indians can flame Pakistan send people to spread terror in Pakistan and have few blasts in their own country and blame that on Pakistan also. :@: I dont wanna get involved but this seems to be a good thread :popcorn:

It is a simple fact we both are fighting for Kashmir. Which The English left for us to fight over for decades.

What Pakistan doesnt realize is that India have never showed Pakistan any sign of friendliness and they go to join the Bollywood telling others in Pakistan that Pakistan was a Political experiment which went wrong. Which belief is wrong.

What Pakistan doesnt realize that India have tried many times to start a war and Pakistan is the one who stepped back and forwarded his firm handshake to befriend every now and then.

What Pakistaniz do not realize that Yahuudiz do pretty much the same thing regarding Islam as Indians do regarding Pakistan on the net. :@:

We must not forget that our Pakistan is better and we can make it better. Whatever or whoever spits on you or throws garbage at you, always smile upon him. If someone curses your mother you thank him and say “God bless you.” Makes Pakistaniz 100x better then Indians. :@:

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Indians hate Pakistan and will do everything to defame us. Its too bad that our own people are creating the circumstances that bring shame to the nation.

ab khwab main bhi koi kisi se nahin milta
ab khwab main bhi koi kisi se nahin milta
ab khwab main bhi koi kisi se nahin milta
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‘May God bless pakistanis’ for all the recent violence in the India…

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^^ Their hate feelings can be seen in their movies, they produce movies against Pakistan and most of the time against Muslims.. when it comes to politics and elections, the only thing their politician use as the sales pitch is the hate element and their aggressive approach against Pakistan.

Still people say that India do not hate Pakistan and is not root cause of its problem should go and get some reality check.

Timepass - February
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Pakistan has done little to help it's cause in India. The continued betryal of trust in last 60 years has made people in India wary of Pakistan. Though i must add that most of this feeling is reserved for the Pakistani establishment and not necessarily against ordinary people of Pakistan.

I have met a number of people from Pakistan when they come to India. They are pleasantly surprised at the reaction from Indians as they do expect a hostile reaction.

As for the root cause, perhaps the reason for this continued betryal is that there are groups in Pakistan who need this enimosity against India for their survival. While as in India it is not the case. Take the recent military take over in Pakistan, what was the reason that there was no opposiation to military take over. Infact sweets were distributed as everyone thought Nawaz had betrayed the nation by talking peace with India.

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I guess you need to take serious history lessons, If Pakistan had ever had any intentions, they could have easily invaded and taken up Kashmir in 1962, when India was getting proper beating from China..

but India, Launched a war in 1965 and then he trained and funded Mukti Bahni in Eastern Wing of Pakistan, played vital role in dividing Pakistan... Now by any mean these things are not done by any friendly country... this is what india is doing in Karachi by funding extremists group in Pakistan back in 80s and 90s in the name of ethinic differences and Religious war amoung different sects.

Same being done by India on the northern borders of Pakistan, giving arms and training to the BLA and creating Taleban to de-stabalize Pakistan....

Hate Against Pakistan is what India is all about, i meet indians on daily basis as i my company deals with them, to tell you the truth, Indians as considered bias against Pakistanies and they try not to put any Pakistani National under Indian manager as these Indians makes his life hell...

U can cry as much as u want... Indians will go any limit to defame Pakistanies, i'll give you another example, in one of the local news papers, when ever a Pakistani, BanglaDeshi, Chinese or Filipina is criminal is caught, The news paper name them by Nationaliy, wheres for Indian criminals, the news paper use the term "Asian". Not to mention that the Key editors of the nes paper are Indians.. now what will you call them???

You cannot hide, yes you can deny the truth, In Pakistan elections have nothing to do with campaign against India.. the politicians just work around other promises, but for Indian politicians, they have to stage a Mumbai like Drama to win it.. back in 2002, BJP set attack on parliment, and now Congress did the same...

being a nation or individual, Indian hates Pakistanies...

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While everyone seems to be ‘at it’ some good news atlast from India

Indians express solidarity with Pakistani marchers](http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/world/indians-express-solidarity-with-pakistani-marchers--bi)

NEW DELHI: Groups of activists from different cities in India held meetings and rallies to express their solidarity with protesters in Lahore who staged a march in their city on Saturday against growing terrorist attacks and religious fanaticism in Pakistan.
'We are here to extend solidarity with the Pakistani people, as our neighbour bleeds and falls victim to one terror attack after another, even as US extends its stranglehold in the region,’ said Radhika Menon of the Delhi-based Forum for Democratic Initiatives during a march at Jantar Mantar, near the parliament.
Saajhi Duniya, a group of gender rights activists in Lucknow, passed a resolution to voice concern at the scourge of religious bigots and terror groups gaining strength in Pakistan.
The group’s representative Ms Rooprekha Verma, a former vice chancellor of Lucknow University, sent a message of solidarity to Ms Salima Hashmi, a key organiser of the march in Lahore.
‘We join the voice of activists of Pakistan against terrorism,’ Ms Verma said.
Legal rights activist and gender rights campaigner Teesta Setalvad sent a message on behalf of her Mumbai-based group, Sabrang Communications.
She voiced concern at the reported flogging of a young girl by the so-called ‘good’ Taliban in Swat.
'All the more reason that we must join hands to work harder to check the rising power of barbarism and terrorism.’

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Nationalistic jingoism is fine as long as you are trying to talk to people from the same environment and who have acess to the same information.

Please read what is available in terms of information fro your own country. Leave you with accounts from the Pakistani chief of air force of the time … he surely would know what happened better then you …

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

To double-check, Nur Khan spoke to the then Commander-in-Chief, General Musa Khan, who reluctantly parted with the information that Pakistan was about to launch an operation inside Held Kashmir. Nur Khan then spoke to Lt-Gen Akhtar Malik, GOC Kashmir, and was told that Pakistan was launching “Operation Gibraltar” with 800,000 infiltrators “to throw out the Indian troops with the help of the local population”. Of course the offical history of 1965 war in Pakistan has not mention of “Operation Gibraltar”

“The performance of the Army did not match that of the PAF mainly because the army leadership was not as professional. They had planned ‘Operation Gibraltar’ for self-glory rather than in the national interest. It was a wrong war. And they misled the nation with a big lie that India rather than Pakistan had provoked the war and that we were the victims of Indian aggression.”
In plain simple english he blows the myth of Indian aggression :slight_smile:

Nur Khan says it was an “unnecessary war” and he compares it to the equally unnecessary 1999 Kargil Operation where the Pakistan Navy was kept out of the loop and prime minister Nawaz Sharif had to run off to Washington to sue for peace because India was said to have moved its fleet and was preparing to threaten Karachi
Again his statement and not mine :slight_smile:

Later the army turned anti-American and made the textbooks say that America had let Pakistan down in 1965 and 1971. Declassified papers relating to the Nixon era inform us that Nixon had indeed prevented India from attacking West Pakistan in 1971

And in the end his observation

The lesson from 1965 is the same as drawn by Nur Khan: that the military should stay away from political power, that Pakistan should demilitarise its mind and think of options other than war to ensure its survival, that the economy should be given the primacy it deserves; and that, last but not least, Pakistan should consolidate itself internally, re-establish the social contract with the people that it has lost because of its coercive ideology, and focus on the internal threats that confront it.

Timepass - February
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Here is some more on the “victory” of 1965 war and lessons, if learnt would have helped Pakistan …

What could have happened differently if Pakistanis had actually learnt from what happened before, during, and after the 1965 War?
One, Mr. Bhutto would probably have found it difficult to ride the wave of anti-Ayub discontent as easily as he did for he was equally, if not more, culpable for what was solely blamed on Ayub Khan.
Two, Mr. Bhutto would not have found it as easy to continue to befriend army generals and exercise the kind of influence at GHQ that he did during the 1971 debacle. Perhaps Pakistan would have been intact.
Three, the army leadership would have received its fair share of blame for its professional incompetence, and preoccupation with civilian and political affairs at the expense of their military duty.
Four, Perhaps Pakistan would have learnt its lessons and Kargil-II (1965 War was, in fact, Operation Kargil-I) would not have happened. Consequently, Sharif government would not have been toppled and Musharraf would have been living a retired existence for the last 5 years.

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Just for your Information as every body else seems to be aware of it.. this thread is about How much Indians hate Pakistan and their state of denial and not about the war of 1965.

So please stay on topic... as i understand you have nothing else to say to the established facts..

Timepass - February
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if anyone wants to understand why Pakistan has gone to the current state of lawlessness and daily bombings, all one has to do is read through this thread.

None of them Pakistanis seem to want to admin their government's initial support, subsequent tolerant double-play and current inability to control the terrorists - whether it be in the name of religion or in the name of political expediency.

Most of them seen more interested in seeing India suffer some issues - they don't care that their own people are getting killed everyday but rather seem to take glee in India moving IPL out to SA!! This has to top as one of the crudest and cavemanlike sentiment of self-destruction I've come across with Pakistanis ever! How can you guys be even thinking and talking about cricket in India when your homes are burning your mosques are bombed? Utter defeat?

Unless you guys pickup some internal spirit as humans, individuals and society as well as start facing truth, how are you ever going to get out of this mess?

Timepass - February
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And we are still on the topic … we are dicussing the reasons why Indians are wary of Pakistani establishment… this so called hate is just your interpratation of this.

Coming back to “established facts” … here is what the “offical” Pakistan government website has to say about the events of 1971 … it is “propaganda” like this that makes Indians feel that Pakistanis just want to live in a lie propagated by the establishment… hence don’t want to get on with India.

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During the year 1970 when Pakistan had a war with India, East Pakistan was completely cut off from the West Pakistan and following the elections in 1971, the East Pakistan was separated from the West and since then it is known as Bangladesh