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Religion ain’t the only problem there. I would’ve stayed there despite the lack of religious freedom, if that place had a better economy and it wasn’t so rife with corruption. It’s not like I was being forced to go to mosque or perform any of the other religious rituals.
I’m all for accountability, but I don’t think we need more religion to achieve it.
I’m a big supporter of welfare programs also, but the 2.5% charity just won’t cut it. People need to be taxed more and everybody needs to be taxed in order for the government to run without any foreign aid.
There was a man named Islam Khan. He had a broken finger, broken ankle and bruises all over the body from being beaten up by others and some wounds from slip and fall.
One man saw him and said:
Bhai Tum, Apna Naam Badal Lo.
Sab Theek Ho Jaaye Ga.
UZ…it wasn’t because of my blog. I think we all know the state of those people. Its just something I’ve always believed in.
True TLK but who will do that? Who will put their foot down to bring this change? I don’t see it happening.
UZ - that is my point. Islam does not prohibit this. But our culture which is largely based on Islam does.
You cannot blast the Adhan here in my neighborhood. But it isn’t because of prejudice or fear. Its out of respect for my neighborhood because they don’t have me chased down my street by a priest and holy water. You learn to co-exist in the same place while maintaining respect for people around you. There’s a masjid across the street from me though that causes traffic jams every single Jumah and every night during Ramadan. Does that count?
I don’t know if Pakistan is ready for separation of church and state. But I know its needed. I know that respect for people around you comes from giving people the freedom and confidence to make their choices. I know that Islam is a complete religion but Pakistan is not ready for it. I have a lot of respect for my fellow Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc. But its not because the US follows Christian law so beautifully and is setting examples of tolerance in Christianity. Its because the laws are not influenced by Christianity…every man is equal and all laws are applicable to any person of any faith.
When you’re in the workplace, do you discuss your religion with colleagues? No. At school? No. In university? No. Its considered unprofessional to discuss these things because they are so personal.
This myth has been discussed hundred times on these forums that not mixing of Government and religion solve the problems like minority exploitation. OP’s just saying solution of removal of Islamic constitution (which is not Islamic. Call it choo choo ka murabba , but its not Islamic. correct me if I’m wrong). How would you people see Indian Constitution, which is not religious.. Has it solved problems of minorities. What changes would you suggest for that constitution?
who says that our culture is based on Islam. Its vice verse. We got customised version of Islam incorporating our cultural garbage in it leading to problem you mentioned above. Islam is simple and easy to follow code, but we love to mirch masale , halwe maande wala Islam. We got our own Diwali in the name of Shab e Barat, Ganpati visarjan in the name of Eid Milad u Nabi and Taaziya taboot of Muharram. We love to have Bhajans in the form of Qawwalis. Our ladies got their version of Panch Kaniya in the form of Dus Bibiyon ki Kahani.
Islam is not present in its simple form in sub-continent. If it had been and implemented in true spirit, things would have been much better. Its been defaced and now been blamed for the crimes its not responsible for. This is like ‘khaya piya kuch nahin, glass toRa 12 aana’
who knows? As a human-being I can’t say anything for future. Its upto God what he has written for this land. If there will be will, He will provide ways to it.
For the question of OP, I reiterate that Pakistan’s law is not Islamic, so Islam / Sharia should not be condemned for Pakistan’s problems.
Even more than 200 years ago, the United States, for example, had the Bill of Rights, and the very first amendment to the US Constitution in 1791 besides enshrining freedom of speech, freedom of press, freedom of peaceful assembly and to petition the government, also enshrined freedom of religion while ensuring at the same time that the state would not* favor *one religion or one sect/religious denomination over another.
And that’s important. So if Pakistan had a secular constitution, the state (i.e. the government) would be ‘neutral’ or non-discriminatory but people would have been free nonetheless to practice their religion as they deemed fit. Yes, secularism alone may not have solved all problems/prejudices afflicting minorities in Pak but the absence of that secularism in the country’s constitution, as well as the subsequent fixation with (Sunni) Islam by the powers that be in Pakistan have been especially to the detriment of religious minorities, who are *constitutionally *relegated to second class citizens if they are Christians, Hindus, Parsis or Sikhs, or third class citizens of if they are Ahmadis.
I do feel bad about the plight of minorities in Pakistan. They are just like the rest of us so what is their fault exactly? That they were born in a non-secular country where they follow a different faith than majority’s and therefore are not seen by the government as equal citizens as others and they can’t escape that country either because if you were, say, a poor Ahmadi from Rabwah or a poor Christian maid living in a slum in Lahore where could you go? I think it’s sad that Pakistani law-makers and many among the country’s majority community seem indifferent to the plight of minorities. All the more so because these people are not even some recent arrivals or something. They have been living in Pakistan for generations so it’s not like we would be doing some “favor” to the minorities if they had the same rights and the same status as the majority community under Pakistan’s constitution.
Personally, I think that if you were to discount religion out of the equation, people would find other ways to discriminate; race, ethnicity, social status and so on.
Even if Pakistan were to eliminate Islam from its constitution what makes you think that people would stop killing in the name of it? lol in order to eliminate Islam from the constitution and actually have some peace - which I doubt, knowing how menial and pathetic the Pakistani mentality is - you would first have to eliminate corruption, many honor killings and what not go unnoticed in Pakistan every year due to lack of proper integration of our system and more importantly wide-spread corruption.
Religion has nothing to do with ill-mannered behavior, whatever it may be, its lack of several other things, such as education, morals, patience, etc…
Our culture is a very twisted and warped version of Islam - that is what I meant.
And here’s another one of our issues: instead of looking over at the neighbors - let’s fix our own problems first.
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Religion has everything to do with it because people in general become ill mannered when their faith is attacked and/or under question. Religion is TOO sensitive to run an entire nation based on it especially when you have minorities! You simply cannot be a Muslim country if you want to be fair to your people - its not right.
Corruption is also based on religion right now. You’re right that people would find other ways to discriminate BUT those ways would at least come under question eventually because of the removal of religion. The nation would at least have a chance at evolving…not like it is right now.
I just brought India’s example as it got almost same culture as ours.. same shared psyche and we know how much just a secular constitution did for India.
Nothing would change, as if the government and its subjects even regard the constitution. The social norms would remain and the plight of minorities would still be rough.
Shias were being tormented on religious days before the Objectives Resolution in '49.
I don’t see how to be honest. Its more to do with a persons opinion about religion, for example, you wouldn’t necessarily agree with what I have to say because you don’t have to, the same would apply to me and if a person cannot respectfully agree to disagree then I don’t think its their religious beliefs that are to blame here, it has more to do with education and upbringing.
hey, it worked for the Ottomans, at least for the first few hundred years
Again, corruption is based on people’s opinion about religion rather than religion itself and I’d like to add nepotism to it as well.
P.S - apologies regarding my poor grasp on english, I am not really that well versed in the language, lol.
