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What if Pakistan eliminated Islam from its constitution?

What do you think that would do?

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nauzobillah…riots, more taliban activity, more Khalfishaar, more killings, economy going further down the slope…in a nutshell, CHAOS!

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Do you really think so KKF? Don’t you think the root of all the above IS the fact that Pakistan is a Muslim country?

Riots: Shia/Sunni riots
Taliban: Extremist Islamic group
Killings: Most honor killings are based on some warped form of religion

What is Khalfishaar?

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what i meant was that the same forces will go wild and uncontrollable. whatever we have at this time will increase many many many folds…to the point of self destruction!

Khalfishaar = unrest/chaos/anarchy

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Pakistan was made on base of Islam how can it happen?

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afsos to isii baat kaa hai k Pakistan Islam ke naam par banaa aur vahaN ab badqismati se Islam ke ilaava sab kuch hai…:frowning:

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What do we have? Whatever force you have is in the name of Islam. Once you eliminate it…you will also eliminate the reason for chaos.

Why can’t it happen? I don’t believe Islam has any place in Pakistan. Pakistan was made on basis of religious freedom…for Muslims. But if you eliminate Sharia law from Pakistan, you will also eliminate the problems plaguing the people.

That’s my personal belief.

When I say eliminate Islam, I don’t mean burn mosques. I mean eliminate Islamic law from the governing bodies.

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it’s just like saying, “Islam is bad because Muslims are bad!”…the thing is the fact is the other way around…Don’t Judge Islam by looking at Muslims of today!

iqaamat e deen = establishment of deen in the land is Farz on every Muslims for a better society.

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Who says that Pakistani laws are sharia based? Pakistan Penal Code is the exact copy of Indian Penal code given by British Raj Contract Act is same both in India, Pakistan and probably UK as well. When Penal code (prescribing penalties) is not Islamic, how could one blame sharia being root cause of Pakistan’s problems?

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Yup. And Zia never modified those laws at all.

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which Laws? are you talking about Hudood Ordiannce or What? First tell me which sharia Pakistan Penal Code follow? Shariat Muhammadi, Shariat e Mosvi or something else?

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I don’t think Islam is bad at all KKF nor am I judging Islam based on actions of Muslims today. No way. I actually find my religion to be great. I just don’t think Islam has any place in Pakistan right now at all. As in none.

There should be no religious influence in any way…no muftis, no fatwas, no sheikhs, no clue that Pakistan is a Muslim country.

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i’m glad what you said but i think Pakistanijudiciary is in a confused state…a cocktail of Islamic, British and Tribal laws.

we must sort that out and it will get better, i’m sure!

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I doubt it will get better unless you eliminate religion from the picture.

Religion is a PERSONAL choice…the fact is that religion and politics do not mix and are always a lethal combination.

The tribal laws are based on what? Warped Islam, are they not?

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If Islam has not any place in society then the Prophet should not have struggled for it. Religions were there to exploit people. There was no need to come up with Islam. Islam was not the name of isolated change , it was complete effort to change the system. If we can’t implement Islam with such zeal, its our fault, but saying Islam got no place in Pakistan or any society then its just a way out for not tackling our problems according to way told by Allah and His prophet.

I know there will be question how to implement it and which version of Islam and then this all discussion will take the same route it took in hundred other threads. We are eager to find out solution when it comes to our personal matters, but when it comes to Islamic system, we are limited to criticize so called scholars to get ourselves absolve from our responsibilities. We don’t send our children for getting religious education and then cry on the actions of some bigots, who are unfortunately called leaders of our religion. This is extreme hypocrisy which we need to get rid of.

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You’re right.

But the fact is, its the Islamic Republic of Pakistan…

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If you name a bank as Muslim Commercial Bank, it doesn’t mean its not dealing in Interest :cb:

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Yes, Islam was a complete effort to change the system.

But let me ask you muqawwee…what has Islam brought to Pakistan so far? I am genuinely asking.

Islam has every place in our society…rather our versions of society but it has no place in our government.

Don’t get me wrong. I am not ashamed of Pakistani heritage…actually very proud. But I don’t understand why Islam is the way of life there as a country when it should be a personal choice for the people.

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People opt for Pakistan just for Islam. Sindhi, Punjabi, Pashtoon, Baloch are not one nation. Islam was their binding force and collect them on one platform i.e. Pakistan. Soon after independence, that binding force was attacked by different groups (not to talk about outsiders, it was from within). Islam tells us to respect people, their Culture, Language, etc. It was not followed and the result is before us.

Islam gave us an opportunity to get a country.. freely exercise our religion. be economically independent.. but our leaders and people took the country and religion for granted for their personal benefits. This country got disloyalty in its very roots. Islam is not responsible for Pakistan’s current situation. Its the long story of greed and corruption (not supported by Islam) which is behind this failure. Islam was easy to follow code for people of Pakistan,but it has been ruled by people having no respect for religion. They were just ambitious people interested in their own agenda. Islam was just manipulated (like any other ideology in the world) and has never been implemented in Pakistan. So, saying that Islam is the root cause of problems is wrong IMO.

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LOL