assuming no pressler amendment
how would the balance of airpower would have been affected in southasia
will pakistan be encouraged to launch a short decisive campaign against India by 1989-90 by the time uprising in kashmir started
or is the F-16 greatly exaggeratted and even 71 more of them would have hardly made a difference in the fighting capability of PAF
what was IAF OOB at that time does anyone have that from a reliable source
Re: What if: PAF gets 111 F-16s in the 80s
Pakistan would likely have used it to bomb Balochs, Sindhis and Mohajirs before it went after India.
Re: What if: PAF gets 111 F-16s in the 80s
India baught MIG 29 to counter pakistans F-16s. If pakistan had baught as much as 111, then even india would have baught more.
Re: What if: PAF gets 111 F-16s in the 80s
Besides, even at that time those MIG 29s were armed R-77 BVR missiles and pakistan just got BVR missiles recently
Re: What if: PAF gets 111 F-16s in the 80s
Pakistan would likely have used it to bomb Balochs, Sindhis and Mohajirs before it went after India.
Balochs would have stoped listening to thick sadars and MQM qould have gone back into it's cave.
Re: What if: PAF gets 111 F-16s in the 80s
Das Reich......
I love PAF...but one has to keep the realistic part alive...F-16 is a fine aircraft no doubt about it...but its not that great compared to russian technology.......and like ssing sahab mentioned...PAF didnt have BVR missiles system uptill now......heck even their mig 21 bison got the BVR and our f-16s were just upgraded. *
*F-15 was made to fight Mig-29.And f-15 is far better than f-16.
Re: What if: PAF gets 111 F-16s in the 80s
I say-- now go and get 200 more so called Thundaaaar...and adventure in Kargil once again....see what happens next.
Re: What if: PAF gets 111 F-16s in the 80s
^^ we are talking about aircrafts here dude…not the fighting caliber…and u should know ur IAF fighting caliber…which isnt that impressive at all.
And for your kind info…the specs of JF-17 thunder are far better than ur LCA…
*And dont even talk about kargil…it was just a fun target practicing for our soldiers.
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Re: What if: PAF gets 111 F-16s in the 80s
^ LOL...Ok stick to topic...but really your arguement of "target practicing" is hilarious. When your fauji regime was unable to hold kargil height, they told you that it was just target practicing...alright...be happy....:D
Re: What if: PAF gets 111 F-16s in the 80s
^^Atleast Be honest to your self.... whats the best position to target...... aiming down the hill or at the peak of the mountain.....u do the math.
PS:i wasnt the one who deviated initially from the actual topic and dragged kargil in it.....
Re: What if: PAF gets 111 F-16s in the 80s
Balochs would have stoped listening to thick sadars and MQM qould have gone back into it's cave.
That genocide plan didn't work to well with Bengalis.
Re: What if: PAF gets 111 F-16s in the 80s
MQM running the underworld, assasinations, black mail is all well and good right?
Re: What if: PAF gets 111 F-16s in the 80s
Assassinations, terrorism, blackmail, gun running, drug smuggling, nuclear underworld....my friend that is the resume of ISI.
Re: What if: PAF gets 111 F-16s in the 80s
that chota sitting in Londob. Part of the dodgy goverment now right?
Re: What if: PAF gets 111 F-16s in the 80s
India even with air support and half of their army struggled to dislodge the fighters during Kargil. Couple of Indian planes were shot down. Just imagine what would have happened if Pakistan and PAF had actively supported these few hundred fighters.
Re: What if: PAF gets 111 F-16s in the 80s
India even with air support and half of their army struggled to dislodge the fighters during Kargil. Couple of Indian planes were shot down. Just imagine what would have happened if Pakistan and PAF had actively supported these few hundred fighters.
Only plane was shot down, it was MIG21 (if i am right)....and the other was MIG 27 which crashed due to mechanical malfunction. The other aircraft was MI-17 helicopter which was lost to a stinger missile. and half of army was not in kargil.
Re: What if: PAF gets 111 F-16s in the 80s
mig-29 was not designed to counter the eagle , flanker was.....
indian early model mig-29 were definately better than F-16A/B but I doubt if india can get 100+ in 80s ...the soviets needed most of these migs...and by 1988 only 500+ were serving with VVS and they were expected to replace nearly 1500 fishbeds and early floggers.By contrast the US and its allies operated over 2000 falcons by this time.
also keep in mind the IAF had mirage2000 and BVR equipped floggers to throw into battle against AIM-9 eqipped falcons of PAF
Re: What if: PAF gets 111 F-16s in the 80s
plz dont bring in kargil , JF-17 and LCA ...stick to the topic ...aircombat in late 80s ...pre-AIM-120 era
Re: What if: PAF gets 111 F-16s in the 80s
mig-29 was not designed to counter the eagle , flanker was..... indian early model mig-29 were definately better than F-16A/B but I doubt if india can get 100+ in 80s ...the soviets needed most of these migs...and by 1988 only 500+ were serving with VVS and they were expected to replace nearly 1500 fishbeds and early floggers.By contrast the US and its allies operated over 2000 falcons by this time. also keep in mind the IAF had mirage2000 and BVR equipped floggers to throw into battle against AIM-9 eqipped falcons of PAF
Even if america had allowed sale of 111 of those F-16s, it would have also taken time to be delivered completely. Perhaps the deal could only have been closed after 1990. By then india would have also got additional aircrafts armed with R-77, R-73, R-27 etc
Re: What if: PAF gets 111 F-16s in the 80s
^ this is a "what-if" thread ...it was not hard for america to give 100+ F-16s if they wanted to.....but for soviet industry to satisty this huge order in addition to thie own requirement was simply impossible