What i am hearing ? Afghan exit strategy

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Standing with rose-petals on gateway of tribal area from Afghanistan , i am standing to welcome US Marines Forces to have a warm welcoming reception from eve 20th January 2009 in Pakistan what Obama used to shout like mad cow in all his election campaign

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Obama: ‘Exit strategy’ for Afghanistan too**

President Barack Obama, who spelled out his plans for withdrawing American troops from Iraq today, says he went to the Marines’ Camp Lejeune for the announcement both to thank the troops and "to be very clear about our plans in Iraq, and that we are going to bring this war to an end.‘’

At the same time, Obama is boosting the American deployment in Afghanistan, even while he conducts a "soup to nuts’’ review of the situation there to see what the best way forward may be. In Afghanistan, **Obama says, he also is looking for "a clear exit strategy.‘’
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Asked if the American invasion of Iraq, which he opposed as a state senator with no vote on the matter at the time was worthwhile, in retrospect, Obama says: "I think we can say without equivocation that our military was successful.‘’

**Q.**Was it worth the more than 4,000 American lives lost, tens of thousands of casualties and many more Iraqis killed?

A."Well, you know, I don’t want to look backwards,‘’ Obama says in an interview with Jim Lehrer of the Newshour, which PBS will air this evening. "As you know, I opposed this war, I did not think it was the right decision, but I don’t want to in any way diminish the enormous sacrifices that have been made by our men and women in uniform…

"I will tell you that the most sobering things that I do as president relate to the deployment of these young men and women,‘’ Obama tells Lehrer. "Signing letters of those who have fallen in battle, it is a constant reminder of how critical these decisions are and the importance of the Commander in Chief, Congress, all of us who are in positions of power to make sure that we have thought through these decisions free of politics and we are doing what’s necessary for the safety and security of the American people.‘’

The Iraq withdrawal was announced at a Marine base that will be deploying an expeditionary force of about 8,000 to Afghanistan this Spring, as part of a plan to boost the U.S. deployment there by 17,000. And Obama, interviewed by Lehrer at the base, spoke to this.

"We’ve seen a sense of drift in the mission in Afghanistan, and that’s why I’ve ordered a head to toe, soup to nuts review of our approach in Afghanistan,‘’ said Obama. "Now, I can articulate some very clear, minimal goals in Afghanistan, and that is that we make sure that it’s not a safe haven for Al Qaeda, they are not able to launch attacks of the sort that happened on 911 against the American home land or American interest.

"How we achieve that initial goal, what kinds of strategies and tactics we need to put in place, I don’t think that we’ve thought it through, and we haven’t used the entire arsenal of American power,‘’ he said. "We’ve been thinking very militarily, but we haven’t been as effective in thinking diplomatically, we haven’t been thinking effectively around the development side of the equation, you know, what are we doing to replace poppy crops for Afghans that allow them to support themselves.

"Obviously, we haven’t been thinking regionally, recognizing that Afghanistan is actually an Afghanistan/Pakistan problem, because right now the militants, the extremists who are attacking U.S. troops are often times coming over the border from Pakistan.‘’
The envoy whom Obama has assigned to the region, seasoned diplomat Richard Holbrooke, will advise Obama before the president explains "to the American people and Congress about how exactly we are going to be moving forward in Afghanistan…

"I think there are achievable goals in Afghanistan, and the achievable goal is to make sure it’s not a safe haven for terrorists, to make sure that the Afghan people are able to determine their own fate,‘’ Obama said. "One of the things that I think we have to communicate in Afghanistan is that we have no interest or aspiration to be there over the long term. There’s a long history, as you know, in Afghanistan of rebuffing what is seen as an occupying force, and we have to be mindful of that history as we think about our strategy.

"Our goal in the region is to keep the American people safe. And I think that the more we can accomplish that through diplomacy, and the more we can accomplish that by partnering with actors in the region, rather than simply applying U.S. military forces, the better off we’re going to be. But I don’t want to pre-judge this review. That’s why I’ve asked - we’re looking at a wide range of view points that are being brought together, and a set of recommendations will be provided to me shortly…

Asked why the U.S. is still in Afghanistan, after invading to remove the Taliban in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the president said what he has said before of the continuing conflict there, with the Taliban resurgent in the region.

"My assessment is that we took our eye off the ball,‘’ Obama told Lehrer. "I mean Iraq was an, obviously, enormous diversion of resources and attention. Now, we’ve had a long debate about the wisdom of having gone into Iraq in the first place, I don’t want to relitigate that.

"But just objectively, there’s no doubt that had we stayed more focused on Afghanistan and the problems there, and had we thought through more effectively Pakistan and its role in this whole process of dealing with extremists, that we would probably be further along now than we are, but, you know, that’s history.

"We now have to move forward. It’s my job to come up with the best possible approach given some of these mistakes that have been made, and the fact that the situation right now has deteriorated badly in Afghanistan…
"I think until we have a clear strategy, we’re not going to have a clear exit strategy,‘’ he said. "And my goal is to get U.S. troops home as quickly as possible without leaving a situation that allows for potential terrorist attacks against the United States.

"Keep in mind something that is important, and that is, Afghanistan is not a U.S. mission, it’s a NATO mission, and one of the things that I think has been lost is the sense of international partnership in dealing with the problem of international terrorism.

"Part of our goal is, when I go to the NATO Summit in April, to have a conversation with our NATO allies, many of whom have put troops into Afghanistan, have made enormous sacrifices, have lost their own young men and women in the battle there, to figure out how do we coordinate more effectively to move the ball forward.‘’

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I didn't read the article but what is wrong if he is looking for a clear exit strategy? I might be forgetting but did he ever say that America should stay in Afghanistan forever? What I remember is that he wanted a solution/fix the problem in Afghanistan and be done with it.

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Obama, unlike his predecessor, realizes the fight against extremism needs to be fought in Pakistan's tribal and border regions. There has not been a concerted effort to root out those safe havens that will ultimately make the US mission successful.

Bush took his eyes off them and went after Iraq, foolishly believing the Pakistani govt was bought off and would take care of the extremists. We all know they haven't.

:hehe: Please spare Obama the war ideology. So what’s the logic in what you’re saying? From one failure (iraq) into the next (afghanistan), and from that failure to yet a new one (Pakistan)?

I believe and hope Obama is smarter than his predecessor and know that might cannot win it all. America cannot win in Afghanistan by bombing Pakistan, in hopes of salvaging whatever little show of might and arrogance it has left.

Has it occured to you, that perhaps the populations of other countries don’t really care about America, its policies, or what its “strategic interests” are? And people just want to be left alone? Pakistan has its own problems to deal with thanks to W.O.T. and it is fast approaching that point where Pakistan will have to wave U.S.A. goodbye because it can no longer afford to do the dirty work of America.

Drone attacks, where they have been effective (credit is due), have not fully solved the problem. The problem can only be solved through dialogue and economical initiative. That is why John Kerry among others have urged this new U.S. Administration to focus on aid and building bridges rather than burning bridges. Communication can solve a lot of things.

I hope Nato and Allies realize that the only solution to Afghanistan is to talk with workable taliban, hand over the power to them via a transition or other face-saving measure and retreat back to homeland. The longer U.S. remains in Afghanistan, the more mess will come from it and the higher Anti-American sentiment will be felt and spread which will then create potential extremists, as if it hasn’t already. Not to mention the cost it has and continues to inflict on American economy, the countless number of families who are left with injured fathers/mothers/sons. The latter account of injury far surpasses that of the deceased victims of 9-11. Being a supercop will not get you roses and red carpet, no matter how greedy an installed puppet of the recipient nation is. The population and its sentiments must be considered.

Fact: World does not revolve around U.S. or its Policy but rather is bullied into pretending to care about it because U.S. is notorious at installing puppet regimes.

Fiction: U.S. can change the world to its own liking.

Rest is open to intrepretation, and i’m sure you are intelligent and can understand the difference there.

Does U.S. really think it will succeed in using Pakistan against containment of China? :slight_smile:

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^^ He is Indian so his anger is understandable , after US would get lost , ther will be no place of Indian Influence in Afghanistan.

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Barai Bai-Abroo ho Kai Koocha-i-Afghana sai Hum Niklai

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Shabash Shabash Kakai ..you have learnt the lesson at last

US and Nato ka Baap bhee Afghanistan ko Fatah nahee kar sakta !

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