y u so concerned with Israeli lossess?
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In a battle you need to keep a tally of the oppositions losses.
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ok so clearly they are more powerful.
for a country the size of New Jersey.
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I still don't know what Hezbollah is trying to achieve. Any ideas?
When all is said and done, Lebanon will be in ruins, Israel, not so much.
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When all is said and done, Lebanon will be in ruins, Israel, not so much.
Hezbollah's is Iran's little pet.
Basically they wanted to fight Israel and to show the Arab world how Iran and Shia's are standing up for the rights of Palestinians.
Hezbollah wanted a prisoner exchange but what it got was a war.
Israel has taken out rougly 50% of Hezbollah's Katusha Rockets and the daily barrage of Katusha rockets into Israel has dropped from 400 to 200.
The other Katusha Rockets are on trucks and constantly on the move.
It took around 7 days to take out 50% of Hezbollah's Katusha Rockets.
I say it will take around 14 days to take out the remaining rockets.
Israel is preparing for a small ground offensive in which it will probably penetrate as far as the Litani River and then set up a defensive zone around the river and kill and destroy any Hezbollah terrorists that are in that Area.
After which it will accept a cease-fire and a UN mandated Peace Keeping Force shall arrive and take over from the Israelis.
Hezbollah will be instructed not to attack the UN peace keepers from Iran and Syria.
As for the Israeli Soldiers taken captive.
I would say a year down the line, Israel will probably do a prisoner exchage for their safe return.
And I suspect, this will be the last time that Hezbollah does anything this stupid.
Re: What Hezbollah will gain from war (split from Israeli losses thread)
^ You live in cuckoo's land don't you? The cowards are so scared of a land offensive as they keep losing the state sponsored terorists (read IDF) that they have taken to the sky and killing innocent women and children in their hundreds. Really brave arent these terrorists. We should also open a thread to keep the tally of the deliberate civilian butchering being carried out by Israel and its terrorist force.
There is no difference between the suicide bombers ( so much loathed by the west) and the Israeli terrorists killing innocent people in Lebanon (For which they are loved by the west and given more armaments).
Re: What Hezbollah will gain from war (split from Israeli losses thread)
Hezbollah is Iran’s pet, Saddam was a menace…blah blah…if we get rid of them, world would be safe and we will live in peace. Drop some bombs kills some women and children, destroy a country and make rubble out of it. This is what we learnt that after 9/11…blah blah…it is necessary you do not know…we have to do this as a FAVOR. Thank us later.
Re: What Hezbollah will gain from war (split from Israeli losses thread)
All this still doesn't answer my question of why Hizbollah started this latest round of violence. What did they think they would achieve?
Re: Israeli losses to date…
First they wanna “fight Israel” and then they wanna do a prisoner exchange and are surprised they got a war? which one is it? Contradict much? More Kool-aid?
Expect a clintonesque oral-sexish rebuttal from m2k regarding what he really meant by “fight.”
m2k: I meant “fight Israel” in a symbbolic way, not an actual fight, silly boy. I have a lot of Israeli Yahoo chat friends, so I am a veritable expert on Israel. 
J/k.
Re: What Hezbollah will gain from war (split from Israeli losses thread)
Just as u are concerned about peace with israel, he has his own opinion & he is free to ask what he likes.
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It just seems to me that Hizbollah's plans are just as good as pakistan's kargil plans were. Not very good in the end.
Re: What Hezbollah will gain from war (split from Israeli losses thread)
Hezbollah expected a small skirmish along the border followed by international pressure and exchange of prisoners. But Israel has been pushed to the corner and are now lashing out to them and Hamas.
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You really think so? I wish I could call it humour.
Re: What Hezbollah will gain from war (split from Israeli losses thread)
why doesn't israel just go ahead with a FAIR prisoner trade that Hezbollah has been asking for? but instead israel just refused the offer and started this war
Re: What Hezbollah will gain from war (split from Israeli losses thread)
thats because its the way hezbollah got those two soldiers to begin with
and if Israel does a trade, that will embolden hezbollah to kidnap more Israeli soldiers
Re: What Hezbollah will gain from war (split from Israeli losses thread)
I got this in an email. I think it’s worth noting Hizbollah’s stance.
Interesting points.
Translated by Muhammad Abu Nasr
July 15, 2006
Peace be upon you and the mercy of God and His
blessings!
To begin with, in this first address that I make to you
since Operation True Promise [on which Hizballah
captured two Zionist soldiers] and the events that
followed it, I would like, to begin with, to offer my appreciation and
condolences to the families of the martyrs, those who gave the dearest of their
loved ones on during these hard and difficult days, and all they have given in
the noblest confrontation and battle that the modern age has known or rather
that all history has known. I want to salute the wounded and beseech God, be He
glorified and exalted, to sustain them, heal them and bring them health. I also
wish to salute our steadfast people in all the cities, towns and villages who
are standing firm and immoveable, rooted in their land as they are rooted in
their faith. I also salute my brothers the Mujahideen, the steadfast resistance
fighters, enduring hardship at their posts and in all our ranks, ever ready for
sacrifice in the path of what they believe. They always have and always will
regard their own safety lightly and hold their heads high with pride.
In this first address that I give in these days
following Operation True Promise, I would like to say a
few words - a word to the Lebanese people, a word to
the resistance fighters, a word to the Zionists, and a
word to the Arab rulers. I will not offer words to the international community
because I have never for one day believed that there is any such thing as an
international community, just as many in our nation feel.
First, I say to the Lebanese people: dear people - who
embraced the resistance, by whom the resistance was
victorious, and for whom the resistance won its victory
on 25 May 2000 - this people who were the makers of the
first victory in the history of the Arab struggle with
the Israeli enemy, despite the basic inequality in
forces, and in spite of the fact that the majority of
our Arab brothers and the majority of our Muslim
brothers abandoned us and despite the silence of the
whole world, this Lebanese people made the miracle of
the victory that stunned the world and humiliated the
Zionists. Those Zionists look upon this people in a
special, unique way because they accomplished in the
history of the struggle with them a special and unique accomplishment. The
battle today is no longer a battle over prisoners or the exchange of prisoners.
It might be said that the Zionist enemy is responding any time there is any
operation where men are captured anywhere in any part of the world, by any army
or any state that has borders and regulations. What is taking place today is not
a response to a capture of their soldiers; it is a squaring of accounts with the
people, resistance, state, army, political forces, regions, villages, and
families that inflicted that historic defeat on that aggressive usurper entity
that has never accepted its defeat.
Today, therefore, this is a total war that Zionism is
waging to clear its whole account with Lebanon, the
Lebanese people, the Lebanese state, the Lebanese army,
and the Lebanese resistance, in revenge and reprisal
for the victory they won on 25 May 2000.
Dear steadfast, mujahid, and noble people, I know that
the overwhelming majority of this people, in their
minds, hearts, wills, culture, thoughts, love, passion,
and sacrifice are a people of nobility, dignity, honor, distinction, and pride,
not a people of servility, subservience, submissiveness, and surrender. I say to
you that in this battle we are faced with two choices - not “we” as in
Hizballah, or as in the resistance, the Hizballah resistance - but Lebanon as a
state, a people, an army, a resistance, and a political power - we are faced
with two choices: either to submit today to the conditions that the Zionist
enemy wants to dictate to us all, using the pressure, support, and backing it
has from America, from around the world, and, I’m sorry to say, from Arabs.
Either we submit completely to its conditions, which means taking Lebanon into
an Israeli age under Israeli domination - in total frankness this is the extent
of the matter - or we stand steadfast. That is the other choice: that we
persevere, that we persevere and confront. I, relying on God the Exalted, and on
my faith in Him and the mujahideen and in you, knowing thi
s people and this enemy, just as I always used to promise you victory, now I
promise you victory once again. During the Grapes of Wrath in 1996, or the
clearing of accounts in 1993, in the beginning they had the upper hand and our
situation was much worse. But today, the situation is different. Believe me, and
I mean this, the situation now is different. All that we need is to persevere,
stand steadfast, and confront them united, and I know and I will bet that the
majority of our people are a people of steadfastness, a mujahid people who can
sacrifice, who have no need for pep talks. What I’m saying now is only by way of
completing the idea, and affirming the choice, and clarifying what this means.
Now, as for my words for the resistance fighters, for
my dear and beloved brothers: upon them rest the hopes
of every Lebanese, every Palestinian, every Arab, every
Muslim, every free and decent person in this world,
every oppressed, tortured victim of injustice, every
lover of steadfastness, courage, dignity, values, and
nobility - the characteristics they embody by their
presence on the field of battle and in their fight with
this enemy, the fight of valiant heroes. I say to them:
today, after God the Highest, you are the hope of our
Nation. You are the symbol of our nobility. Our honor
is in your hands. This honor is yours and by means of
you, our honor is preserved. After God the Exalted, it
was you who were responsible for the victory of 2000.
Today it is you, before all others, who are responsible
for preserving the victory, for achieving liberation,
standing steadfast, and with honor. This places demands
on you that you, in practice, have proved until now and
during these days that you are entirely worthy of, as
you are worthy of our esteem. Those who put their trust
in you, after God, their charge is great, the reward
will be grand, and the mighty victory - a clear triumph
- is near.
To the Zionists, to the people of the Zionist entity at
this hour I say to them: you will soon discover how
foolish and stupid are your new rulers, your new
leaders. They do not know how to assess reality. They
have no experience in this area. You Zionists say in
opinion polls that you believe me more than you believe
your officials. So now I call on you to listen well and
believe me. Today we have persevered despite the attack
that took place last night in the southern suburbs.
However the attacks multiply in every village,
neighborhood, street, and home in Lebanon, there is no difference between the
south Beirut suburbs, the City of Beirut, or any home in south Lebanon, in the
Beqaa, or the north, or Mount Lebanon, or any corner of Lebanon.
The equation has now changed. I will not say today that
if you strike Beirut, we will strike Haifa. I will not
tell you that if you hit the south Beirut suburbs, we
will hit Haifa. You wanted to get rid of that equation,
so now we and you have got rid of it in actuality. You
wanted open warfare, and we are going into open
warfare. We are ready for it, a war on every level. To
Haifa, and, believe me, to beyond Haifa, and to beyond
beyond Haifa. Not only we will be paying a price. Not
only our houses will be destroyed. Not only our
children will be killed. Not only our people will be
displaced. Those days are past. That was how it was
before 1982, and before the year 2000. Those times have
come to an end. I promise you those times have passed. Therefore you must also
bear the responsibility for what your government has done, for what that
government has undertaken. From now on, you wanted open warfare, so it will be
open warfare. You wanted it. Your government wanted to change the rules of the
game, so let the rules then be changed. You don’t know today whom you’re
fighting. You are fighting the children of Muhammad, of Ali, of al-Hasan, of
al-Husayn, of the Prophet’s family, the Prophet’s Companions. You are fighting a
people who have faith such as no one else on the face of the earth possesses.
And you have chosen open warfare with a people who take pride in their history,
their civilization, and their culture, and who also possess material power,
ability, expertise, knowledge, calm, imagination, determination, steadfastness,
and courage. In the coming days it will be between us and you, God willing.
As to the Arab rulers, I don’t want to ask you about
your history. I just want to say a few words. We are adventurers. We in
Hizballah are adventurers, yes. But we have been adventurers since 1982. And we
have brought to our country only victory, freedom, liberation, dignity, honor,
and pride. This is our history. This is our experience. This is our adventure.
In the year 1982 you said and the world said that we were crazy. But we proved
that we were the rational ones, so who then was crazy? This is something else
and I don’t want to get into an argument with anyone. So I tell them simply: go
bet on your reason and we will bet on our adventure, with God as our Supporter
and Benefactor. We have never for one day counted on you. We have trusted in
God, our people, our hearts, our hands, and our children. Today we do the same,
and God willing, victory will follow. The surprises that I promised you will
begin starting now. Now, out at sea off the coast of Beirut an Israeli military
vessel that attacked our infrastructure, that stru
ck the homes of our people, our civilians; you can see it burning. It will sink
and with it dozens of Zionist Israeli troops. This is the beginning. There will
be a lot more said before the end.
Peace be upon you and the mercy of God!
Sayyid Hasan Nasrallah
General Secretary of Hizballah
Can read the following links too.
Talk to a Senior Hizbullah Member
http://www.islamonline.net/livedialogue/english/Browse.asp?hGuestID=RvfY31
Re: What Hezbollah will gain from war (split from Israeli losses thread)
well it was timing,
beginning of the story
Iran wants nukes.
Hizbullah gets it on with Israel.
Israel responds militarily.
Israel kills civilians.
US and EU and UN wants the issue resolved.
Iran cry's genocide.
finally fighting stops.
Attention turns back to Iran.
Iran tell em to F off because they didn't stop Israel from killing civilians.
Iran should have nukes in case Israel attacks and world stays silent.
World splits (Russia and china and France. who didn't get the Iraq contracts but want the Iran contracts. support Iran.)
Lots of noise for few months.
Iran gets its nukes.
Things back to normal.
end of story.
my opinion.
Re: What Hezbollah will gain from war (split from Israeli losses thread)
This post really highlight merc’s brainwashed head.
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......I still don't know what Hezbollah is trying to achieve. ....
Why? Simple in the words of country singer Toby Keith.
whiskey for my men, beer for my horses
ok seriously. Hizbis are trying to achieve
72 Hoors for men,
and
death and destruction of Lebanon