What has Hinduism given to the world?

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AMPUTATION OF WOMENS' EARS AND NOSES

Aryan women were severely punished with amputation of ears and noses for even minor offences, often by their own husbands. The Brahmanic secular court and religious literature is full of such instances :

]Ramayana **: *`Lord' Rama practiced the savage cutting off of womens' noses for minor offences, thereby providing divine sanction for this sadistic custom. In the Ramayana, Shurpanakha is described as a black Dravidian lady ( referred to as Rakshis' or demonesses by the Aryans ) who fell in love with Rama. She proposed marriage to him, but he refused her, directing her to his brother Laxman. This pious Hindu God immediately cut off her ears and nose for thecrime' of daring to propose to him. The mighty' Ram fully condoned this cruel act. Alld.1036 ] Otherwise, Ram, theideal husband', showed little regard to female life; for instance, he killed Tataka Alld.1048 ], merely because she was a "Rakshi", or Black Sudra woman. He cut her body into pieces after maiming her in the cruellest manner available. He mutilated her genitals and then shamelessly chopped off pieces of her body one by one after thrusting his sword into her vagina.
Hum, very "sophisticated" :(

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I saw it. You first sit back and read my post. ( I hope you read my previous post).

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" A man, aged thirty years, shall marry a maiden of twelve who pleases him, or a man of twenty-four a girl of eight years of age; if (the performance of) his duties would otherwise be impeded, he must marry sooner."
Manu.IX.94
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Lahori, Manusmriti is a book written in 300 A.D. by some fanatic.....2000 years after the Vedas, the Ramayana and the Mahabharata were written.

It is NOT regarded as a book of Hinduism. No Hindu keeps it at home. (Over 80% must never have heard of it).

So keep posting what Manu said. I shall enjoy you getting a rap from the admins for wasting bandwidth.

And by the way, Ram killed **Rakshasis, **not Rakhis. And all that thrusting the sword here and there.....loitering around at Dalitstan.org right, Lahori ?
Rakshas in Sanskrit means demon. Guess what Rakshashis means ?

Ravana had sent all those demonesses to lure Lord Ram away from Lanka and not get to Goddess Sita.

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Yudhister, you are trying to explain very evolved thought to somebody who is refusing to listen ... Any way best of luck buddy.....

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Thanks. Anyway, he is quoting "genuine" sources like manusmriti and dalitstan.org. So only some commonsense is required.

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If you wanna say “not now” that doesn’t mean “it never was”. And these laws have been practiced by the Hindu civilisation since long. Now that you have learned from “others” and “modified” these laws based on principles of democracy, does not mean it never was practiced in Hinduism.

Let me give you an example dude.

“Sati” was declared illegal around 1827, by the British courts in subcontinent (if you have read the history). It was 1827 when the last case was officially reported. Raed this…

There are no reliable figures for the numbers who died by sati across the country. A local indication of the numbers is given in the records kept by the Bengal Presidency of the British East India Company. The total figure of known occurrences for the period 1813 to 1828 is 8,135, thus giving **an average of about 600 per year. **

Bentinck, in his 1829 report, states that 420 occurrences took place in one (unspecified) year in the ‘Lower Provinces’ of Bengal, Bihar and Orissa, and 44 in the ‘Upper Provinces’ (the upper Gangetic plain). Given a population of over 50 million at the time for the Presidency, this suggests a maximum frequency of immolation among widows of well under 1%.

YOUR FAVORITE SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice

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No buddy....
Not everyone quotes them........

Don't judge. Look, I have quoted wikepadia in my above post, your favorite resource to look up to....... :D

By the way, I strated a few posts quoting Gita, Mahabharta etc too. Right !!!!! But then you say, I am reading them wrong .............

Common dude.......

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Am I violating any forum rules??

Yes, I know “RAAKHSHASH” means “Demons”

No, I have not used the term “Rakhis” instead to “Rakhshash”(Demon)…

Yeah and then, **Ram had to take the help **of Monkey gOD, Hanuman, to rescue Sita from Lanka by building a bridge… right???

Now who would in in world believe in such man made stories depicting gOD in such a dependable situation and so weak so as not to prevent someone from stealing his wife :bummer:

And then take the help of another Monkey gOD…

i want to get married
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do allah help pakistan only not india? how long you have been praying ?

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Okay Mr. “Yidishthir”

I am gonna reply to the quotes from your Hindu scriptures, INCLUDING ManuSamriti with the historical proofs about its application in India. So that it becomes very easy for all of us to see the clear picture.

I am sure, you’d find it easy to see what I mean… :blush:

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Please dont lie. You used the word "Rakhis".

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Yeah and then, Ram had to take the help of Monkey God, Hanuman, to rescue Sita from Lanka by building a bridge...... right????
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Yes. One minister of the Government of the Universe taking help from another minister of the universal government. I mean Pakistan isnt a democracy, but in most normal countries such an occurence is common.

Lahori, I understand you have run out of arguments that you have stooped to throwing mud.

Please answer a few questions of mine :

q1] Women in Saudia are NOT allowed to drive, NOT allowed to vote, NOT allowed to step out without a male companion, etc.etc. Does this mean Islam is a very harsh anti-woman religion ?

q2] Honour killings are a fashion in Pakistan. One woman found talking to another male outside the house, and she is tortured by her family for "dirtying" the honour of her family. Is this sanctioned in Islam ?

q3] In Pakistan's infamous hudood ordnance, if a woman has been perpetrated by a man, she need not 1, not 2, not 3, but **4 **male witnesses to prove her innocence. Suppose the incident happened in a desert where char male witnesses toh kya, you wont find 4 bhoot also. The what verdict will be given to the woman ?
Is this Islam ??

Before you start rattling Manusmriti, take a look within your own country.
And sati has been rid of completely. But when will your Hudoods and Honour killings stop ?

Hinduism DOES NOT have any such practices.

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And Aurangzeb Alamgir was the one who antagonized in fiercely… the one called a looter in India…

The strongest attempts to control it were made by Aurangzeb. In 1663, he “issued an order that in all lands under Mughal control, never again should the officials allow a woman to be burnt”[34]](Sati (practice) - Wikipedia). In spite of such attempts however, the practice continued, especially in conditions of war and upheaval.

SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice

HEEEELLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPP:(
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No, I use "not so genuine sources" like Vedas too

Here is Vishnu Samriti
Now the duties of a woman (are) ... After the death of her husband, to preserve her chastity, or to ascend the pile after him.
Vishnu Smriti, 25-14

Here is Rig Veda
Let these women, whose husbands are worthy and are living, enter the house with **ghee (applied) as collyrium* (to their eyes). Let these wives first step into the pyre, tearless without any affliction and well adorned.*
(RV 10.18.7)

the Ask Brother_Quraysh thread
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we are not that irrational otherwise we would be extinct nation.

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So do you not believe in Vedas?

I quoted BOTH Vishnu Samriti and Veda, presenting the same message......

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Dates to 1 millenium A.D. (300 years after prophet Mohammad).

This is the favourite verse in the Rig Veda quoted by people like you. It is the translation given by Kane.

Here, read this and how many foreign and Indian translators have given a completely different translation. Also read the logical explanation of that verse.
http://sify.com/news/othernews/fullstory.php?id=13170729
The translation does not ask women to step into a pyre, but to step into the house.

There is another proof that it does not sanction sati. For if it did, the very next verse (10.18.8) contradicts it, saying that a widow must return to her house.

So it has been concluded that Rig Ved does not sanction sati.

And Lahori, you did not answer the 3 questions I asked you.

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What is hinduism and its ideas and its authentic acceptable books?
Is it a religion or way of life or something else?

I think the point is not what hindu(s) has/have given to the world but what 'hinduism' has given to the world specifically.
Am I wrong in assuming this?

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Point # 1: I used the word “Rakshis” and I did not mean or replce the word “Rakhshash” with “Rakhis”…
I am not lieing.

Point # 2: Referring to Hanuman and Ram, now you are using the word “minister” of universe. :hoonh: On one side you use the word “messengers” then you use the words, “Autaar (incarnations)”

So what God is actually?

About your questions Yadishthir, they do not pertain to the topic thats why I have not replied to them.

Fair enough?

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Visit this link, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_%28practice%29 your favorite wikepadia. Look at the historical background and context. Can you deny the practice and that they were Muslims and British who suppressed it.

About the verse of rig veda, the difference in translation as “pyre” and “house” are completely opposite to me. Slight differences like “a balck pot” to “light black pot” are acceptable. But differences like a “pot” and a “plate” cannot be attributed to simple “difference in translation”…

It is common sense and in the context of historical background, is not a reasonable explaination…

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Lahori, Rakhi is a piece of thread that sisters tie to the wrists of brothers on Rakshabandhan day, to protect them. There was a sea of difference in what you said.

Lord Ram was an incarnation (avatar) of Lord Vishnu.
Lord Hanuman was the sun of the Sun-God (Surya).

Remember Bhagawad-Gita ? It says that all these Gods are part of ParaBrahma himself, whom no one has seen (except Arjun) and no-one can comprehend. He approves of devotion to them.

Those questions were a rhetoric that answer your questions about sati and other practices automatically.

I already did. Did you ? Wikipedia itself provides explanation that the verse doesnt refer to sati, as the very next verse asks widows to return home (as I told you before).

If you read the link I gave you previously, 6 independent translators (foreign and Indian) have translated it as house, and not pyre.

So did the Guptas, Bana (said that suicide is prohibited in the vedas) under King Harshavardhan, Alvars and Raja Ram Mohan Roy who wrote and disseminated arguments that the practice was not part of Hinduism, as part of his campaign to ban the practice.
(Refer to wikipedia).

It also says how Portuguese and British rulers wanted to abolish sati, to spread Christianity. They were not really concerned by it.

Those very Europeans that you so idolize used to burn women whom they suspected of witchcraft and black-magic. This practice continued in Europe till industrial revolution.

But have you stopped Honour killings even after the British left ? Or your beloved Muslim rulers left ?

Are you claiming to be a master in Sanskrit ?

Yomiagre means in the pyre, and Yomiagne means in the house. A difference of “r” and “n” makes a whole lot of difference.

Kane read it as yomiagne and translated as pyre, while HH Wilson, Flaugherty, and others read it as yomiagre and translated it as home.
Now the question arises how did they read differently ? I mean a “T” is not a “B” in English. It could be that they got different texts.

The wikipedia link says :
“A reason given for the discrepancy in translation and interpretation of verse 10.18.7, is that one consonant in a word that meant house, yomiagre, was deliberately changed by those who wished claim scriptural justification, to a word that meant fire, yomiagne.”

So thats 6 versus 1, and also that the very next verse asks widows to come home. So the verse does not sanction sati.

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Dharmaputru.. good going buddy.. I think u should keep at this guy.. lahori.. He has no idea about hinduism.. i tried to see reason with him last time, but i just gave up, because he keeps his cut and paste thing relentlessly. And even when there is an answer as day light.he would still stick to his question.
The problem with people like lahori is that they cannot accept that Hindus are willing to dispute their scriptures some dump wit had written.

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