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ravage,
The govt missed its window to crack down physically. Right now, it should IMO negotiate and even bribe the brothers to move the students. Then the brothers and their top people should be eliminated. If we go hard now, it will be worse than the Indian attempt at Golden Sikh Temple.
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Janet Reno is rested and available. Waco-em'
Please Please Please. I hope Clinton and reno are on the phone with Musharraf right now giving him pointers on how to waco that place.
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. Government should completely cut off electricity, gas, and water to the Madrasa. Plus government should surround the area and stop movement to and fro from that Madrasa, so that no person can go there and no food or water (even for drinking) can reach there. .
be ready for Musharraf to be called Yazid and what nots after that.
The issue is worse than just dispersing these group of neandrathals, the moron in chief Maulana Aziz called for suicide attcks and it does not appear his students left him after he came up with such lameness. Thus these people are a huge liability..at minimum they should be tossed in jail under some terrorism clause for being part of planning an crime against state and citizens.
I do not want to see these cavemen running free in the country.
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problem is if there is a crackdown, you can be sure that an idiot will go and blow himself up amongst civilians.
i think this is why the govt is holding back, and frankly there is no solution to this. cant someone find incriminating pictures of Aziz sahab watching Free Willy?
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I do not want to see these cavemen running free in the country.
You must be insured by Gieco :)
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Starve them out. Surround and seal off the place, don't let any food in, cut their power, and if possible cut off their water.
Keep pressuring them to let the students go so they can return to their parents, and arrest the staff. Confiscate the building and the land, turn it into a police station.
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Maddie.. a few days agoo I had said this
seriously speaking, they should give these morons and ultimatum, step down in 12 hours, or be ready for consequences, have men/women cops in full riot gear ready, buses ready to take the rats to prison, and then tear gas the hell out of the place. when the roaches run, arrest em, toss em in a bus and send em to jail.
I now am adding further to it, I doubt these rats will want to go to jail as they are flushed out, thats the only choice they should have.. get in waiting busines to tale you to prison, thats it. the security personnel need to be in full riot gear, and protected by barricades, armoured vehicles etc. Any of these madrissa rats that dares to shoot or attack any security personnel, should be shot on the spot.
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I think these idiots are serving the govt well:
during the last elections, MMA got too many votes and caused a few problems. At street level, fundamentalism is on the rise, fuelled by anti- american sentiments. This is a very good warning shot for the supporters of MMA and Sharia law. Something like this in the election year is a God send for the pro american liberal parties as the message will get through a lot clearer if Taliban are in Isb rather than Talibanistan (FATA).
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All they can do is arrest the heads of the madrassa... Secondly, I say attack the students all out, arrest as many as possible and interogate all of them and determine their level of threat. If their level of threat is high enough, then either keep them detained indefinently, or threaten them and their familes if they should ever partake in antistate activity. (Something that has to be done unfortunately.)
They should of course, also take all student records along with their photo's so as to keep track of these would be terrorsits.
There is really nothng they can do about suicide bombers though. One option however is this..
The Israelis usually go after the families of those who commit these acts...
The govt should make it clear, that any would be suicide bomber is endangering the livlihood and well being of their family if they choose to act agains the state or its people. This shouldnt be to hard since identifying the bomber is firly simply considering their heads usually remain intact. Arrest their family, or cease their property so as to make an example of them.
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Other madrassas have been distancing themselves from these nutjobs fortunately… And, according to the teachers at the madrasa, the administration has over steped its bounds.
"…Meanwhile, Wafaqul Madaris Arabia, one of Pakistan’s largest umbrella organisations regulating the affairs of seminaries, has expelled the madrassa from its basic membership.
The group’s head, Maulvi Saleemullah, said the madrassa had over stepped its mandate and was providing the government with a reason to crackdown on all religious institutions.
He said he had spoken to various teachers employed by the Islamabad madrassa and most of them were also against what its administration was doing.
The BBC’s Aamer Ahmed Khan in Islamabad says President Musharraf spent Monday afternoon with the prime minister and several key federal ministers discussing what course of action should be adopted for dealing with the madrassa.
No details are available as yet of what was decided in the meeting. "
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But then the govt pussied out again! Disgusting!
Govt decides to negotiate more with clerics
By Ahmed Hassan
ISLAMABAD, April 9: The government on Monday decided to rely mainly on negotiations for resolving the Madressah Hafsa-Lal Masjid standoff, but kept the option open for some ‘administrative action’.
Sources privy to a high-level meeting told Dawn that the president and the prime minister had directed the security agencies to take `legal action’ for enforcing the writ of the state, but asked them to ensure that no harm came to the innocent.
Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, the chief of the ruling Pakistan Muslim League, and representatives of different security agencies were present at the deliberations at the president’s Rawalpindi camp office.
The sources said that while intelligence agencies were for an operation against the militants, the other participants counselled patience.
They argued that a hasty action could aggravate matters, a prospect which, as one official put it, the government could not afford in the midst of the judiciary crisis.
They said Chaudhry Shujaat was likely to hold another meeting with the heads of Jamia Hafsa and Lal Masjid sooner rather than later. The PML chief had a lengthy dialogue with the two cleric brothers, Maulana Abdul Rashid Ghazi and Maulana Abdul Aziz, on Saturday.
Chaudhry Shujaat apprised President Pervez Musharraf and Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz about the demands put forward by the two maulanas, the sources said.
The two brothers are seeking a clampdown by the government on ‘obscenity’ and the initiation of measures for the enforcement of ‘Islamic tenets’. Their demands include the reconstruction of a number of mosques demolished by the CDA and the withdrawal of notices sent to a large number of others.
The religious leaders also sought compensation for the `damage caused to mosques and seminaries’.
Informed sources said the government’s move to bring in Chaudhry Shujaat was aimed at appeasement of the religious leaders, who were angry with the administration for refusing to give financial support to institutions run by them. They said the administration had agreed to support the mosque and the seminary as part of an earlier deal.
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If only the the head of the madrassah was a Bugti. It would be bombed the next day.
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6Or he cud be appointed a governor
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Madrassas should not be closed but instead with islamic educaton they should be given Little bit more worldly knowledge so the children who are brought up there even if they are poor they should have a know how of different aspects of life. ANd they will be able to deal with different issues and have some common sense.
ANd the main thing we can do is we can replace teachers with educated ones which have both islamic and worldly knoweldge it will bring change in society.
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Madrassas should not be closed but instead with islamic educaton they should be given Little bit more worldly knowledge so the children who are brought up there even if they are poor they should have a know how of different aspects of life. ANd they will be able to deal with different issues and have some common sense. ANd the main thing we can do is we can replace teachers with educated ones which have both islamic and worldly knoweldge it will bring change in society.
Many of these Madaris are of the impression that Islam and Koran is all that a person needs to learn to live in this world... Everything else is uneccesary and redundant.
So even those madrassas which have added some outside subjects, dont teach them well enough to compete with non madrassa students, who themselves dont have much of an education either.
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Many of these Madaris are of the impression that Islam and Koran is all that a person needs to learn to live in this world... Everything else is uneccesary and redundant. So even those madrassas which have added some outside subjects, dont teach them well enough to compete with non madrassa students, who themselves dont have much of an education either.
Thats what i am saying it will take time but they need to learn other subjects too and we need to change teachers too. They have to change a whole thing that to deal with the world they have to learn different worldly subjects.