The holy prophet once said " I am the last of the prophets and my mosque is the last of the mosques".
Now it is quite clear what he meant by i"i am the last of prophets" but how cud his mosque be the last mosque??
I think those who don't believe in finality of prophethood would use this as an example to show the word "last" should not be used in its literal sense.
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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
I think those who don't believe in finality of prophethood would use this as an example to show the word "last" should not be used in its literal sense.
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thats interesting........
It is in the sense that Muslims believe in three places of worship as being erected by Prophets :as: themselves…
Masjid-al-Haraam, built by Ibrahim :as:, Masjid-al-Aqsa, built by Sulaiman :as: and Masjid-al-Nabawi, built by our Holy Prophet :saw:…
No other prophet will ever come to build another place of worship, hence the term Masjid (Place of worship), means no more Prophets will arrive to build any other places of worship and no Prophet will raise another house of worship…
^ Thanks Lajawab - That should end the speculative thinking.
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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
I think those who don't believe in finality of prophethood would use this as an example to show the word "last" should not be used in its literal sense.
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Faisal Bhai,
I dont mean to be Disrespectful or Rude,
But are you not contradicting yourself here.
I think those who don't believe in finality of prophethood would use this as an example to show the word "last"
the word "last" should not be used in its literal sense.
If you noticed I have not used your words out of Context.
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^ Thanks **Lajawab* - That should end the speculative thinking.
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It doesnt, infact it starts it. Considering faisal's aprehensions and the fact that lajawab didnt take the literal meaning makes it debatable.
Qadianis! what is ur point of view?
According to this statement, the prophet is not the last of the prophets to come and his mosque is not the last mosque to be built or found. The statement just means that he is the seal of prophets. All praise to him. Also, his mosque is the last mosque meaning the most grand of mosques where Islam was established. Also, this mosque is not literally the last mosque on earth.
Only stupid people fight over dead people. Does it really matter what context the word last was used in? If it does, give some examples of how it does matter.
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I think those who don't believe in finality of prophethood would use this as an example to show the word "last" should not be used in its literal sense.
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You are absolutely right in what you have said.
The saying can only make sense when both the first part and the second part are used in the same context. If the prophet was literally the last prophet, then it makes sense that the mosque should also literally be the last mosque ever, if both are to be taken in the same context.
Both parts of the saying have to agree and be used in the same context in order to make sense.
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*Originally posted by Diva4U: *
Also, his mosque is the last mosque meaning the most grand of mosques where Islam was established.
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Logically false because the "most grand" of all masjids is in Makkah as every Muslim knows...
The meaning of the aforementioned hadith is clarified by another more specific report reading:
"I am the last of the Prophets and my masjid is the last of the masjids of the Prophets." (Kanzul Amal #34999, citing Musnad ad-Daylami)
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Meaning: There is no Prophet after me, and there will be no mosque erected by a Prophet after me...
Simple.
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*Originally posted by gupguppy: *
The meaning of the aforementioned hadith is clarified by another more specific report reading:
"I am the last of the Prophets and my masjid is the last of the masjids of the Prophets." (Kanzul Amal #34999, citing Musnad ad-Daylami)
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Meaning: There is no Prophet after me, and there will be no mosque erected by a Prophet after me...
Simple.
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Sahih muslim is a lot more authentic book of hadith than kanzul amal (which unfortunately is not a book of hadith infact) so the authentic part only says that its the last oof mosques and not the last of mosques of prophets.
… but Musnad ad-Daylami is a recognised hadith work… and refer to hadith science for what to do when a narrator provides additional information not found in another report…
How would you translate following hadith:
"I am khatamul Anbiya and O Ali you are Khatamul Oliya"
would it mean,
I am last of the prophets and O Ali, you are last of the walis?
Guys everyone....!!!
Could you all care to provide true references for the ahadith.................... Kanz ul aamal???now what is this//? Who is the ravi. Quote the hadith with the ravi / narrator and by who in which book...sahih or not, or hasan ????
Thank You.
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Logically false because the "most grand" of all masjids is in Makkah as every Muslim knows...
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Umm, the masjid in Makkah (the Kaaba) was built before the mosque of Medina. And we all know its grand and we all also know that the prophet's mosque is not the last mosque but another one of the last few grandest mosques under his teachings. That DOES NOT mean it is the LAST mosque to be built by a prophet and that there will be no other prophet to build one.
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*Originally posted by Diva4U: *
That DOES NOT mean it is the LAST mosque to be built by a prophet
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Yes it does, as per the clear hadith I cited.
with the little knowledge of hadith science all i know is that had this version of the tradition been a sahih one imam muslim or for that matter any of the other authors of sahah i sitta wud’ve taken it. i still stand my point that a confirmed sahih hadith is of more value than one that has no certificate of credebility.
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*Originally posted by abuQasim: *
with the little knowledge of hadith science all i know is that had this version of the tradition been a sahih one imam muslim or for that matter any of the other authors of sahah i sitta wud've taken it.
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Sadly, your "little knowledge" didn't do you much good... Imam Muslim himself said that he didn't collect in his book every sahih hadith that he knew... this statement of his is recorded in Sahih Muslim itself... can you find it? Imam al Bukhari said the same. There are many, many authentic hadith not collected in the sitta... there are not only six books of hadith, there are dozens upon dozens of equally important works (some of them by the authors of the sitta themselves)...
Can some1 explain me this Hadith?
"AN IBNI 'ABBAASIN QAALA LAMMAA MAATA IBRAAHEEM UBNU RASOOLILLAHI SALLA ALLAHU ALAIHI WASALLAMA SALLAA RASOOLULLAHI SALLALLAHU ALAIHI WA SALLAMA WA QAALA INNA LAHU MURZI'AN FIL JANNATI WA LAU 'AASHALA KAANA SIDDEEQAN NABIYYAA"
IT IS NARRATED BY HAZRAT IBNE ABBAAS (R.A.) THAT WHEN IBRAHIM, SON OF THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH PASSED AWAY, THE PROPHET (PBUH) SAID HIS FUNERAL PRAYER AND SAID THAT THERE IS A NURSE FOR HIM IN PARADISE AND IF HE HAD LIVED HE WOULD HAVE BEEN A TRUE PROPHET (Ibne Maja vol. 1, Kitaabal Janaiz, p. 237)
"QAALA LAMMAA TUWAFFIYA IBRAAHEEMU ARSALANNABIYYU SALLALLAHU ALAIHI WA SALLAMA ILAA UMMIHEE MAARIYYATA FAJAA'AT-HU WA GHASALATHU WA KAFFANATHU WA KHARAJA BIHEE WA KHARAJANNASU MA'AHU FA DAFANAHU WA ADKHALAN NABIYYU YADAHU FEE QABRIHEE FA QAALA AMAA WALLAAHI INNAHU LA NABIYYUBNA NABIYYIN"
"Said (Ali): When The Holy Prophet's (pbuh) son, Ibraheem, passed away, he sent a message to his mother, Mariya, to prepare for the funeral So she came and bathed him and put a coffin over him; He (the prophet, pbuh) brought the funeral out along with his companions and buried him, and putting his hand in the grave, said: I SWEAR BY ALLAH, HE IS A PROPHET, SON OF A PROPHET". (Tareekhul Kabeer Al Ibne Asaakar, p. 295; Al Fatawil Hadeethiyya Al Ibnul Hajr Al Haithmi, p. 125)
(Ibne Maja is one of the Siha Sitta, the most authentic books of Hadeeth. It is interesting to note that Ibrahim passed away a number of years after the verse about "Khatam-an-Nabiyyeen" was revealed. He died in the year 9 A.H. and the verse was revealed in 5 AH. About four years after he knew through revelation that he was "Khataman Nabiyyeen", his saying about his son: had he lived, he would certainly have been a prophet, clearly implies that he himself did not interpret the meaning of "Khatam-an-Nabiyyeen" literally, as "Last of the Prophets".)
Now the response by many Mullahs was, that it was Allah(swt)´s WILL that Hz Ibrahim(ra) died, as AnHz Mohammad(saw) is the LAST Prophet, now if it was Allah(swt) WILL, then why AnHz Mohammad(saw) said this(bold lines).**