Re: What does Islam say about Honor Killingā¦
Captain1 Bhai,
Please dont Goad me into asking an Unparliamentary Question!!!
Re: What does Islam say about Honor Killing...
We have drifted away from topic Bhaayo!
Re: What does Islam say about Honor Killingā¦
Sowwy:D , Lekin Kasur mera akele ka nahi Captain1 Bhai is equally responsible.
Ok Coming back to the topic
ARMughal Bhai,
republic = democratic rule
Maan lee aap ki baat!!!
Islamic is not democratic and is hence not republic, the name itself is ironicā¦
Now I am confused Republic is democratic but Islamic is not Democratic and hence not Republic!!!
Sirr Chakraying wala icon!!!
So ARMughal Bhai What is Pakistan???
and BTW Deedawar Bhai, that still dosent get you off the hook, Can you tell me what Pakistan is??? Islamic or Republic or Democratic, or a Monarchy or a Dictatorship???
Please dont turn it around to another direction, like I did and had to eventually apologise, Sooch ker batana.
Aejaz
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Ok Aejaz Bhai!
1-I think Pakistan by the preponderance of evidence was created based on Islamic ideology.
2-Its name is ISLAMIC republic of Pakistan. Republic, socialist or democratic, it still has islamic connotation. No one cares.
3-It has paid a tremendous price to come into existence. Hundreds of thousands lives.....................
4-It still pays tremendous price to be in existence on daily/hourly basis.
5-Just because someone denies its NOT ISLAMIC............... no one in the whole world will 'forgive it' or cut a slack that it was based on Islamic ideas.
6-Every non-islamic country/nation/media/human being will be happy if Pakistan gives up its Islamic association tomorrow .........or as early as yesterday!
7-It still has many flaws JUST LIKE ANY OTHER SO CALLED GREAT COUNTRY.
8-If we want to see it the GREATEST then our job is to get rid of its major weaknesses and later its minor weaknesses.
9-Among Major weaknesses one is..... not recognizing its basis of creation which is Islam and nothing but Islam.
10-No matter how many muslims were left to die or live like second citizens in India, it still served a great purpose that is to provide religious freedom to muslims.
11-Political conflicts aside, just to give you example, we can still eat cow and don't have to celebrate deewali to exist peacefully in Pakistan.
12-We did adopt silly and un-islamic customs from hinduism or centries long local customs like honor killing but that is not the way majority live or condone in Pakistan no matter how much evil ousider media want to portary Pakistan as a symbol for.
13-I say Pakistan still provides great and equal oppurtunity to both muslims and non-muslims in several ways.
14-Injustice is everywhere and Pakistan is not the only place in the worls where some people are unhappy.
Sochne Se Koi faidah Naheen....Bas Keh Diya! :)
Re: What does Islam say about Honor Killingā¦
Deedawar bhai the responses between the aestriks (sp) are mine.
I Honestly believe this discussion is going no where, so Deedawar Bhai. after this long Tirade of mine I will give you the Privilage of having the last word, and Hereby withdraw from this Debate.
Aejaz
Re: What does Islam say about Honor Killingā¦
Originally Posted by deedawar
Ok Aejaz Bhai!
1-I think Pakistan by the preponderance of evidence was created based on Islamic ideology.
Is it Islamic as of today though, or is it still in the idology stage??
It is still islamic and better than yeaterday. there will always be room for improvment. And if we get satisfied, we regress and not progress.
2-Its name is ISLAMIC republic of Pakistan. Republic, socialist or democratic, it still has islamic connotation. No one cares.
Well if you as a Pakistani dont care, I definitely will not lose any sleep over it!!!
What I meant that others do not care it has islamic connotation and must remain as it is. Does not matter which form of government. We know Islam accepts any kind of governing method as long Islam is implemented by the government.
3-It has paid a tremendous price to come into existence. Hundreds of thousands livesā¦
Hundreds of thousands of lives on both the sides, Nahi???
Read historyā¦and get education about the partition. Please be serious for loss of lives. I do not know what you learned about it while in Indiaā¦!!
4-It still pays tremendous price to be in existence on daily/hourly basis.
Why is that, terrorism, sheltering the Taliban, Al Qaeeda, Dawood Ibrahim??
As you might not know, Pakistan is the frontline country against terrorism.
Also, after realizing the the evil actions by the evil doers, Pakistan is the only country who actively cought the key terrorists. Only reason is that Pakistan will never tolerate any evil doers on its soil for any reason..not even those who are disguised as muslims.
5-Just because someone denies its NOT ISLAMICā¦ no one in the whole world will āforgive itā or cut a slack that it was based on Islamic ideas.
Why do you expect slack from anyone, or forgiveness for that matter, read reply to your point 4
Read again. I said based on in its islamic ideasā¦Nice try to turn the table!
6-Every non-islamic country/nation/media/human being will be happy if Pakistan gives up its Islamic association tomorrow ā¦or as early as yesterday!
I dont think there is any truth in that statement, the World, Media, Human Beings all know Islam does not preach hatred, but the problem is the Muslim of today, who is hell bent on ruining his own reputation, Yes I know you are going to say that those people are not Muslim because they are Jihadis, but how can you seperate a Religion from its follower. Specially when they Scream Allah Hou Akber every time they Behead some one, or blow themselves up! So eventually the Religion gets Tainted.
**You sound exactly like another forum member and seems like you spend half of the time watching TV and half of time searching āselected wordsā on internet. **
**Does screaming Allahās name make the person muslim? **
You must believe in Batman and Spiderman too.
7-It still has many flaws JUST LIKE ANY OTHER SO CALLED GREAT COUNTRY.
This is one Issue I completely agree with you, and have said so on many occasions.
8-If we want to see it the GREATEST then our job is to get rid of its major weaknesses and later its minor weaknesses.
The biggest weakness I see is lack of proper Academic Education, and Misleading Islamic Education by Some Fanatic Mullahs/Madrasas.
**LOLā¦Read my response #6. Also, above are some of the problems we must correct but biggest weaknessesā¦hummmā¦talk about exaggeration:) **
9-Among Major weaknesses one isā¦ not recognizing its basis of creation which is Islam and nothing but Islam.
I thought you said being created as an Islamic Country was just an Ideology, and your Compatriots Captain1 Bhai and ARMughal Bhai have also questioned the Fact about Pakistan being an Islamic State!!! I would still stress on Education!!
I never said Islamic Country was ājust an ideologyā. You most certainly did not get my point. What I meant that it was created based on islamic ideology. It must stay the course.
**Read my response to #1. **
10-No matter how many muslims were left to die or live like second citizens in India, it still served a great purpose that is to provide religious freedom to muslims.
Where do you get the Idea that Muslims are Second Class Citizens??? Rahi Religious Freedom ki Baat, Bhai mere in Pakistan Muslims are Killing Muslims and that to in Mosques of all places, Definitely India is not Picture Perfect!! So I would say to you Go read your Point # 7 and read my reply to it!!!. Yes I am aware You are going to bring up Godhra, so let me clarify once more, I as a Muslim am ashamed that my Brethren the so called Muslims, Locked the Train Doors from the Out side, Poured Gasoline into the Boogies, and Burnt Innocent Hindu Pilgrims including Women and Children. Deedawar Bhai tell me what would have happened if the Hindus of Pakistan would have done such a deed to a train load of Muslim Pilgrims??? Care to even give it a thought, Again I am not Justifying, I am just stating a Fact, so if you have not done so yet, I urge you to read your point # 7 and my reply.
At least thoudands of hindus are not killed in one city in Pakistan.
Even one life is important no matter if its of a muslim or hindu or any religion.
**But we all know that since the inception of Pakistan, more muslims are killed by hindus (just one religious people) than all of non-muslims killed by so called and disguised as muslims combined. **
Yet we see not a single word of condemnation from any hindu member about Gujrat event.
Besides, if thatās what you believe then keep believing. Otherwise they will be quick to call you spy!
Quaid-e-Azam said after partition that those muslims who are in India must stay loyal to india. Even though many did not agree with it and are still skeptical/critical. You sure did agree with it. More power to you.
11-Political conflicts aside, just to give you example, we can still eat cow and donāt have to celebrate deewali to exist peacefully in Pakistan.
Who told you I cannot eat Beef in India, In fact Many Hindus eat Beef too, Again I know you are going to bring up Cow Worship, and Roiting because of Cow Slaughter, and maybe even Cow Urine, so let me tell you this there are Government Slaughter Houses in India and Beef can be legally purchased at almost every Butcher Shop, The Hindus Rightfully get angry because they Consider the Cow a Holy Diety, now when My Muslim Brethren make it a Point to tie a cow outside their house for weeks before Eid, feed it decorate it and make it very very obvious that they are going to do Zabiha, isnt that how the British Bred Hatred between the Muslims and Hindus, they Greased Hindu battalion Cartridges with Beef Fat, and they Greased Muslim Battalion with Pork Fat, and where does HAVE TO CELEBRATE DIWALI come from, I dont Have to if I dont want to, its a completely different story that I thoroughly enjoy the Festival of lights, these are just a few misconceptions that Pakistanis have about India/Indians.
Read my response 10.
12-We did adopt silly and un-islamic customs from hinduism or centries long local customs like honor killing but that is not the way majority live or condone in Pakistan no matter how much evil ousider media want to portary Pakistan as a symbol for.
This remark of your about Silly and Un Islamic Customs from Hinduism, is damaging your intelligence, First you call it silly, I am sure most Hindus and even some Muslims feel some Muslim Traditions are Sillier if not worse, Un Islamic, How can Hinduism be Islamic, Hell by your own Confession its silly, If I understand you correctly you are saying there are no Honor Killings in Pakistan, are you sure about your Statemant, either you need to read news more often, or you need to visit the Religion and WA forums and see for your self. Why would anyone need to portray a evil picture of Pakistan, Deedawar bhai believe me the Pakistanis are doing a pretty darn good job themselves.
**I never suggested hinduism as islamic. I said silly ideas from hinduism and un-islamic from centuries long customsā¦ Read again my post. **
Care to explain what hindu might consider silly ideas in Islamic belief?
I can sure tell you silly ideas in hinduism and ābonafiedā hindus themselves agree with it. Hope you got the message.
13-I say Pakistan still provides great and equal oppurtunity to both muslims and non-muslims in several ways.
You are not correct in that statement, just there is Discrimination in USA, UK, EU, Middle East, India there is rampant discrimination in Pakistan too, I dont want to get into a my Peepee is bigger than yours Competetion, but you know Non Muslims in Pakistan are victims of Discrimination. Just as we have our share of Discrimination. So your point # 13 is actually Un Lucky for you.
I stand by my point 13 despite what the anti-Pakistan media try to portray about Pakistan.
14-Injustice is everywhere and Pakistan is not the only place in the worls where some people are unhappy.
I think you answered your own Un Lucky point # 13 with your Point # 14.
The emphasis was on word āsomeā.
(if you said 13 unlucky as a joke then its OK. I do not believe in any number being unlucky.)
**What else I could expect from someone who might want to see Pakistan as a sour grape. **
**We Pakisani do understand that there were a large number of muslims who were left in India and one major reason was that those areas which should have been included in Pakistan did actually stayed as part of Indiaā¦including Kashmir, part of Dehli, hyderabad etc. ā¦due to political/conspiracy reasons. But one thing is obvious, Pakistani muslims still feel pain of Indian muslims no matter how much they deny being second class citizens of so called āsecularā ****India despite being the largest minority. **