What does fighting in the cause of Allah mean?

[JeevayPakistan]

Re: What does fighting in the cause of Allah mean?

@Debater

The above lies are the rumours of Coward Sufis whose only aim is to corrupt Islam by mixing satanic teachings with the deen of Allah.
Because of these losers, Muslims are being kicked out by Kuffar throughout the world.

The Holy Quran, it should be remembered, is the only Divine book which absolves all the prophets of the world, wherever and in whichever age they were born, of the crime of coercion in relation to the spread of their message. Hence it is inconceivable that the Quran should present its Holy Prophet (sa) as the harbinger of an era of bloodshed in the name of peace, and hatred in the name of love of God. This is no place to engage in intricate polemical discussions, so this brief introduction should suffice here. According to the Quran, the Holy War, called Jihad, is in reality a holy campaign which uses the help of the Quran to bring about a spiritual revolution in the world.

Fight against them by means Of it (the Quran) a great fight Surah Al-Furqan (Ch. 25, V,53)

These are the very words of the Quran which throw light on the nature of Jihad. It must be fought by means of the Quran and the Quranic message alone.

The highest Jehad, therefore, is Jehad with the help of the Quran. Is it such a Jehad to which Muslims are invited today? How many are there who turn out to strive against disbelievers with only the Quran in their hands? Are Islam and the Quran so utterly devoid of inherent merit and attractiveness? If Islam and the Quran cannot attract people today by their intrinsic beauty, what evidence have we for the truth of Islam? Human speech can change hearts. Can the speech of God change no hearts? Can it bring about no change in the world except with the help of the sword? Long human experience shows that the sword cannot effect a change of heart, and, according to Islam, it is a sin to try and convert a people through fear or favor. Has not God clearly said in the Holy Quran:

‘When the hypocrites come to thee, they say: “We bear witness that thou art indeed the Messenger of Allah.” And Allah knows that thou art indeed His Messenger, but Allah bears witness that the hypocrites are most surely liars.’ (Al-Munafiqun, 2)

Here is a description of the hypocritical believers. If it were correct to spread Islam by the sword, then would it be meet or necessary to describe in this way those who had accepted Islam outwardly but were inwardly unbelievers still? If it were correct to convert people to Islam by force, then even such converts as did not believe in their hearts would have been true converts, according to the Holy Quran. Nobody can hope to win sincere converts by the sword. It is wrong, therefore, to think that Islam teaches the use of the sword for the conversion of non-Muslims. On the other hand, Islam is the first religion which lays down the principle of freedom in religious matters in clear and unambiguous terms. The teaching of Islam is:

‘There shall be no compulsion in religion. Surely, right has become distinct from wrong.’ (Al-Baqarah, 257)

According to Islam, every human individual is free to believe or not to believe. He is free to follow reason.

Of course, defensive war is permitted only on the condition that the enemies initiate hostilities and raise sword against a weak, defenceless people for having committed the only crime of declaring that God is their Lord. All offensive wars according to Islam are unholy.

[USResident]

Re: What does fighting in the cause of Allah mean?

@Debater

The original and principal aim of Muslims is to establish the deen of Allah (Islam) in this world because this world is **owned **and **created **by Allah (God) and everything in this world including humans are created and owned by Allah, so this world and its inhabitants must obey and surrender to Allah. This means that all people in this world have to obey the teachings of Quran. This is like all people in the US or UK have to obey state laws in these lands, otherwise they would be punished or giving penalty to go against the law e.g if someone rapes a girl in UK, one is punished by the state law or if one parks one's car in no parking zone, one has to give penalty for that.

Allah has sent His message (Quran) to humans, whites, blacks, browns all of them from all corners of this world. Those who accept this message are expected to establish supremacy of Allah in this world, so the very first step they do is what was done by their Prophet Muhammad sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam i.e founding an Islamic State. After the Islamic State is established and fortified, the next step is to convey the message of Allah (Quran) to people next to the Islamic State, if people accept this message and enter Islam then it means Islam spreads easily without any use of force but if the people next to the Islamic State refuse to accept Islam, the Muslim Army (Mujahideen) suggest them to surrender in their favour and accept Islam as the ruling law upon them, in case if they surrender to the Muslim Army, their land is merged with the original Islamic State and they are given peace and security by the Muslim Ruler against a small amount of tax which is called Jizyah. The Non Muslims are allowed to pracitse their religion and go to their places of worship without any fear and enjoy all fundamental rights which Muslims have. Jizyah in fact is less than the tax which Muslims pay which is called Zakaat.

But if the people next to the Islamic State (Non Muslims) (1) refuse to accept Islam and (2) refuse to surrender then the Muslim Army fights with them untill they get defeated and so the situation appears as I stated above.

I will give more details about it later, inshaAllah.

This is close to what I understand however then it does not make sense that most of the muslim majority in the world keep cowering under the expression "Islam was spread by sword" and keep proposing theories and go all the way quoting quranic ayahs with tangential interpretations that Islam is a religion of peace. It is a religion in which peace prevails after the law of Allah has been established but there is no peace with those who do not accept the word of Allah and those we have to fight. It seems to me that muslims have lost their ability to prove that Islam is the message of Allah and in order to circumvent our disability we are riding under the banner that Islam was not spread by sword than rather be proud of those rulers who managed to spread it this far. The present day muslim countries have abandoned the quest for spreading Allahs religion and conceded defeat by giving their personal peace priority to the establishment of Allah law. Muslims have become so impotent that we are unable to group and fight to establish Allahs law and are embracing alternate theories imagining that we are saving face.

[yo_wasim]

Re: What does fighting in the cause of Allah mean?

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And do you consider the injunctions in Surah Tawbah to be circumstantial or general? So can we attack a non-muslim land for the sake of establishing the Law of Allah?

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We should indeed not forget that before, even establishing the Law of Allaah, our beloved Prophet salaAllaahwaliwasalam, used to send envoys and scholarly sahabas. Inviting to them towards the truth of Allaah.
Eg is Persian King Chosroes and Byzantium King Hercules.
Its only after such talks were involved, Jihad with armed equipments was the last resort.
Because if we look at every verse in the Quran, regarding fightig with the Kafirs the next ayah was a word of peace.
I feel this topic, we have to get the ijtima consensus of the Quran and the relative Hadith. To know exactly what are the conditions for Jihad.
Rather than our own, opinions
Allaah knows the best.

[Debater]

Re: What does fighting in the cause of Allah mean?

@USResident

This is close to what I understand however then it does not make sense that most of the muslim majority in the world keep cowering under the expression "Islam was spread by sword" and keep proposing theories and go all the way quoting quranic ayahs with tangential interpretations that Islam is a religion of peace. It is a religion in which peace prevails after the law of Allah has been established but there is no peace with those who do not accept the word of Allah and those we have to fight. It seems to me that muslims have lost their ability to prove that Islam is the message of Allah and in order to circumvent our disability we are riding under the banner that Islam was not spread by sword than rather be proud of those rulers who managed to spread it this far. The present day muslim countries have abandoned the quest for spreading Allahs religion and conceded defeat by giving their personal peace priority to the establishment of Allah law. Muslims have become so impotent that we are unable to group and fight to establish Allahs law and are embracing alternate theories imagining that we are saving face.

This is because your perception of Islam is incorrect which I would inshaAllah clarify later, as I am in a rush now but at the same time you are right that Muslims of Today are Coward Insects who keep looking for holes in order to hide their face, they are following their desires and they have kept the message of Allah aside that is why all Kuffar are kicking their asses.
And next I will prove that Islam hasn't spread through sword, inshaAllah.

[USResident]

Re: What does fighting in the cause of Allah mean?

@JeevayPakistan

The Holy Quran, it should be remembered, is the only Divine book which absolves all the prophets of the world, wherever and in whichever age they were born, of the crime of coercion in relation to the spread of their message. Hence it is inconceivable that the Quran should present its Holy Prophet (sa) as the harbinger of an era of bloodshed in the name of peace, and hatred in the name of love of God. This is no place to engage in intricate polemical discussions, so this brief introduction should suffice here. According to the Quran, the Holy War, called Jihad, is in reality a holy campaign which uses the help of the Quran to bring about a spiritual revolution in the world.

Fight against them by means Of it (the Quran) a great fight Surah Al-Furqan (Ch. 25, V,53)

These are the very words of the Quran which throw light on the nature of Jihad. It must be fought by means of the Quran and the Quranic message alone.

The highest Jehad, therefore, is Jehad with the help of the Quran. Is it such a Jehad to which Muslims are invited today? How many are there who turn out to strive against disbelievers with only the Quran in their hands? Are Islam and the Quran so utterly devoid of inherent merit and attractiveness? If Islam and the Quran cannot attract people today by their intrinsic beauty, what evidence have we for the truth of Islam? Human speech can change hearts. Can the speech of God change no hearts? Can it bring about no change in the world except with the help of the sword? Long human experience shows that the sword cannot effect a change of heart, and, according to Islam, it is a sin to try and convert a people through fear or favor. Has not God clearly said in the Holy Quran:

‘When the hypocrites come to thee, they say: “We bear witness that thou art indeed the Messenger of Allah.” And Allah knows that thou art indeed His Messenger, but Allah bears witness that the hypocrites are most surely liars.’ (Al-Munafiqun, 2)

Here is a description of the hypocritical believers. If it were correct to spread Islam by the sword, then would it be meet or necessary to describe in this way those who had accepted Islam outwardly but were inwardly unbelievers still? If it were correct to convert people to Islam by force, then even such converts as did not believe in their hearts would have been true converts, according to the Holy Quran. Nobody can hope to win sincere converts by the sword. It is wrong, therefore, to think that Islam teaches the use of the sword for the conversion of non-Muslims. On the other hand, Islam is the first religion which lays down the principle of freedom in religious matters in clear and unambiguous terms. The teaching of Islam is:

‘There shall be no compulsion in religion. Surely, right has become distinct from wrong.’ (Al-Baqarah, 257)

According to Islam, every human individual is free to believe or not to believe. He is free to follow reason.

Of course, defensive war is permitted only on the condition that the enemies initiate hostilities and raise sword against a weak, defenceless people for having committed the only crime of declaring that God is their Lord. All offensive wars according to Islam are unholy.

Sir, your point of view is also good and convincing. I have some more reading to do on the battles fought by the Khulafa. My point of confusion thus far has been those who say that Islam so be spread by means of preaching only or defensive battle are not able to justify how Islam spread across half the globe then whereas those who say we can force the Laws of Allah are not able justify the verses where it says there is no compulsion in religion. Each thought conflicts with the other in principle.

So far no one has been able to explain the true meaning of what it is to fight in the cause of Allah and by what means should we spread Islam.

[AllahkaBanda]

Re: What does fighting in the cause of Allah mean?

@chintu_bhopali

Bro just one question ...so it means that quran states that to fight and kill people who doesnt accept islam?? please correct me if i am wrong.

Not innocent civilians, here we're taking about those who somehow are threat to Islam & Muslims ummah.

Now days the definition of innocent civilians have been changed due to remarkble advances in scoiety. I can continue on this but this thread doesn't focus on that topic

[Debater]

Re: What does fighting in the cause of Allah mean?

@USResident

Sir, your point of view is also good and convincing. I have some more reading to do on the battles fought by the Khulafa. My point of confusion thus far has been those who say that Islam so be spread by means of preaching only or defensive battle are not able to justify how Islam spread across half the globe then whereas those who say we can force the Laws of Allah are not able justify the verses where it says there is no compulsion in religion. Each thought conflicts with the other in principle.

So far no one has been able to explain the true meaning of what it is to fight in the cause of Allah and by what means should we spread Islam.

Well, though I am in a rush, but can't resist your rush to come to a conclusion.
As I said, the first step is giving da'wah (invitation of Islam) to Non Muslims, if they don't accept then Jihad or Qitaal (killing) of Kafir Forces who come to stop Islam. This Qitaal or Killing is necessary to establish peace and order in this world, e.g the US or UK punish culprits and criminals. Why?
Why don't they love rapists and murderers?
Why don't they elect Paedophiles as Mayors and Prime Ministers?

Because criminals have to be punished and rascals have to be brought to justice so that people in these states can live in peace and security.

Qitaal or Jihad is the same force which is used against those who stop the way of Islam. Mark my words, this force of Jihad is used for Armies of Kuffar only. This force of Jihad is not used against Civilians of Kuffar.
At least you can't ever prove that Islam permits the use of force upon conquered innocent Non Muslim Civilians.

So if Islam uses the sword then it uses it against those who stop Islam with swords, Islam doesn't use sword against unarmed non battling Non Muslims.

Now after the Muslim Army overpowers Non Muslim Nation (or their Army), the Muslims establish Islamic Rule upon their land, which starts showering its blessings and beauties upon Non Muslim Inhabitants, and seeing the beauty and security which Islam gives, most of the Non Muslims accept Islam.
And the evidence of this is the Non Muslim Community (Jews and Christians) within Arabian Lands which have been living there since/before Islam came.
If Islam spread through sword, then they wouldn't exist there today.

[Sharaabi]

Re: What does fighting in the cause of Allah mean?

@lifeless

not blowing up 9 planes 4 no reason

who blew up 9 planes for no reason?

[AllahkaBanda]

Re: What does fighting in the cause of Allah mean?

I'm sure the point of thread is to focus on **JIHAD-E-QITAL NOT JIHAD-E-NAFS or any other type of jihad. So people please keep that in mind before you reply, Jazak Allah.

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@USResident

So far no one has been able to explain the true meaning of what it is to fight in the cause of Allah and by what means should we spread Islam.

Brother that can be only applied if we have one Islamic state representing the Islam and Muslim ummah. If kafirs gather together and fight against that country to eliminate muslims, basically Islam, then Mulsims response by fighting against those kafirs will be the true JIHAD-E-QITAL for cause of Allah.

Otherwise, if a kafir country attacks a country where muslims are in majority and that country is known to be "islamic country" then the defenders of that "islamic" country will only fight to protect their country and freedom to practice their religion freely. It somehow could be related to fighting in the cause of Allah but the initial intentions totally contrast the idea. I'm no body, only a scholar can tell whether that Jihad can be considered as JIHAD-E-QITAL, fighting for the cause of Allah, which is mentioned in Quran.

How to spread Islam? That depends whether this question has been posed to each individual or the so called "islamic" countries.

[Crescent]

Re: What does fighting in the cause of Allah mean?

Fighting in the cause of Allah means to struggle for righteousness.
To enjoin good and forbid evil.

When you surpress your desires, you're fighting in the cause of Allah.

When you help the oppress, you're fighting in the cause of Allah.

When you stay away from ANY EVIL. you're fighting in the cause of Allah.

[Captain1]

Re: What does fighting in the cause of Allah mean?

@Debater

For example Ghazwah Tabuk and Hunain? Or for example the Conquest of Makkah?

I agree that it was a missing point that if an army is about to attack then you can prepare in advance and march towards it if necessary. I hope you are not implying that someone leading a group can do that as well.

[Kaka_MaNNa]

Re: What does fighting in the cause of Allah mean?

A group has no authority what so ever... only state can declare jihad and organiz military to lead it. So, to get rid of the groups that act on their own as if Allah told them to, only solution is to KILL their leaders and their management and then dismantle it so it is broken and all improper manifestation of jihad are destroyed!

[Debater]

Re: What does fighting in the cause of Allah mean?

So in Iraq, after the dismissal of Saddam regime there was no state, so there was no point of Jihad and Iraqis were supposed to hug US Mariners and marry their beautiful female officers. Isn't it?

In Afghanistan, people should wait for the state of Hamid Karzai Munafiq to declare Jihad and before that they should be the part of Kafir Establishment.

Am I right?

[Kaka_MaNNa]

Re: What does fighting in the cause of Allah mean?

Defense of ones self, home, town, city, country, religion is valid when another force invades. So, I don't think state would be required in that case...

The fact that DECLARING jihad on another entity which is not invading you or threatening your home, town, city, country, religion is responsibility of the state.

no?

[Debater]

Re: What does fighting in the cause of Allah mean?

@Crescent_

Fighting in the cause of Allah means to struggle for righteousness. To enjoin good and forbid evil.

When you surpress your desires, you're fighting in the cause of Allah.

And when you commit suicide then this is the most great Jihad among deviant Sufis as you are not only killing your nufs but your life also.

[Ajmal_farooqi]

Re: What does fighting in the cause of Allah mean?

@Debater

And when you commit suicide then this is the most great Jihad among deviant Sufis as you are not only killing your nufs but your life also.

Debater,

you are out of your mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Suicide is haram according to our (ahle sunnah) Mufti's fatwas.

Debater is a jew!

[Debater]

Re: What does fighting in the cause of Allah mean?

@Ajmal_farooqi

Debater,

you are out of your mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Suicide is haram according to our (ahle sunnah) Mufti's fatwas.

I think, now I should believe that you are a Sunni (lol).

[Debater]

Re: What does fighting in the cause of Allah mean?

@Ajmal_farooqi

Debater is a jew!

My nick is Debater, not 'Abdullah ibn Saba, so you should stop idealising me.

[Captain1]

Re: What does fighting in the cause of Allah mean?

@Debater

So in Iraq, after the dismissal of Saddam regime there was no state, so there was no point of Jihad and Iraqis were supposed to hug US Mariners and marry their beautiful female officers. Isn't it?

In Afghanistan, people should wait for the state of Hamid Karzai Munafiq to declare Jihad and before that they should be the part of Kafir Establishment.

Am I right?

as Jaan Leva already mentioned, that would fall under category of defending your land.

[Captain1]

Re: What does fighting in the cause of Allah mean?

@Debater

My nick is Debater, not 'Abdullah ibn Saba, so you should stop idealising me.

what goes around comes around, get it? you unnecessarily brought up suicide while responding to Crescent, now why does it hurt if you are getting accused of something you are not?