Assalam-o-Alaikum!
I want your views about the Jamaat At Tableegh or the Tableeghi Jamaat. I have always been a supporter of this jamaat but recently I read some articles about them on Fatwa-Online.com. Please be as brief as possible and don’t go into unnecessary details. Do please mention the names of the sites from where you get the information, if so.
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Brother just to let you know that 'Fatwa-Online.com' is an ahlus sunnah wal jamaa' site, and Tableeghi Jamaat are not on the sunnah.
Allahu Alaam
May he guide us all, and forgive me if i've mistaken.
'Rabbee zidnee`ilmaa'
My Lord! Increase me in knowledge.[20:114]
The Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) said:
"Whoever sets out on a path to seek knowledge, Allaah will make easy his path to Paradise."
[Saheeh Muslim]
[This message has been edited by appkiamaanat (edited May 16, 2002).]
Not true, tableeghi jamaa't followers are usually very strict followers of the Shariah. They have minor corruption amongst those sort of higher up in their group.. a lot of times in a tableeghi jamaat lecture, the lecturer would make unnecessary judgements about other beliefs.
More or less though, they follow Islam pretty strictly and are a highly organized group.
Actually brother I do not agree completely with fatwa-online either.
I don't want to give my personal opinion on the Tableeghi Jam'aat, but one thing's for a fact, that even the critics of the Jam'aat accept that these people are sincere.
However, the book "Fazaail-e-Aamaal" by Moulana Zakariyya Kandhlawi contains many mistakes, and it's not ok to stick to that book blindly.
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Originally posted by ammarr:
**Not true, tableeghi jamaa't followers are usually very strict followers of the Shariah. They have minor corruption amongst those sort of higher up in their group.. a lot of times in a tableeghi jamaat lecture, the lecturer would make unnecessary judgements about other beliefs.
More or less though, they follow Islam pretty strictly and are a highly organized group.**
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Akhee Ammar the 'usually very strict followers' 'minor corruption' 'pretty strictly'
All Innovation (in the Religion) is Misguidance
Know that the people never introduce an innovation until they abandon its like from the Sunnah.[1] So, beware of newly invented matters, since every newly invented matter is an innovation and every innovation is misguidance and misguidance and its people are in the Fire.
NOTES
1. Hassan ibn 'Atiyyah, rahimahullaah, said,"A people never introduce an innovation into their Religion except that Allaah takes away its like from their Sunnah and then does not restore it to them until the Day of Resurrection." Reported by ad-Daarimee and declared saheeh by Shaikh al-Albaanee in al-Mishkaat (1/66/no.188).
All Major Innovations and Deviations Begin Small and Insignificant
Beware of small innovations because they grow until they become large.[1]
This is the case with every innovation introduced in this Ummah. It began as something small, bearing resemblance to the truth which is why those who entered it were mislead and then were unable to leave it. So it grew and became the religion which they followed and thus deviated from the Straight Path and left Islaam.[2]
NOTES
1. A striking example of how small innovations lead a person into committing major innovations is found in the narration reported by ad-Daarimee in his Sunan (1/79):
'Amr ibn Salmah said: We used to sit by the door of 'Abdullah ibn Mas'ood before the Morning Prayer, so that when he came out we would walk with him to the mosque. (one day) Abu Moosaa al-Ash'aree came to us and said, "Has Abu 'Abd ar-Rahmaan come out yet?" We replied, "No." So he sat down with us until he came out. When he came out, we all stood along with him, so Abu Moosaa said to him, "O Abu 'Abd ar-Rahmaan! I have just seen something in the mosque which I deemed to be evil, but all praise is for Allaah, I did not see anything except good." He enquired, "Then what is it?" (Abu Moosaa) replied, "If you live you will see it. I saw in the mosque people sitting in circles awaiting the Prayer. In each circle they had pebbles in their hands and a man would say 'repeat Allaahu Akbar a hundred times.' So they would repeat it a hundred times. Then he would say, 'say Laa ilaaha illallaah a hundred times.' So they would say it a hundred times. Then he would say, 'say Subhaanallaah a hundred times.' So they would say it a hundred times." (Ibn Mas'ood) asked, "What did you say to them?" (Abu Moosaa) said, "I did not say anything to them. Instead I waited to hear you view or what you declared." (Ibn Mas'ood) replied, "Would that you had ordered them to count up the evil deeds they acquired and assured them that their good deeds would not be lost!" Then we went along with him (Ibn Mas'ood) until he came to one of these circles and stood and said, "What is this which I see you doing?" They replied, "O Abu 'Abd ar-Rahmaan! These are pebbles upon which we are counting takbeer, tahleel and tasbeeh." He said, "Count up your evil deeds. I assure you that none of your good deeds will be lost. Woe to you, O Ummah of Muhammad (saws)! How quickly you go to destruction! These are the Companions of your Prophet and who are widespread. There are his clothes which have not yet decayed and his bowl which is unbroken. By Him in Whose Hand is my soul! Either you are upon a Religion better guided than the Religion of Muhammad (saws) or that you are opening the door of misguidance." They said, "O Abu 'Abd ar-Rahmaan! By Allaah, we only intended good." He said, "How many there are who intend good but do not achieve it. Indeed Allaah's Messenger said to us 'A people will recite the Qur'aan but it will not pass beyound their throats.' By Allah! I do not know, perhaps most of them are from you." Then he left them.
Umar ibn Salmah (the sub-narrator) said: We saw most of those peope fighting against us on the day of Nahrawaan, along with the Khawaarij.
Authenticated by Sh. Saleem al-Hilaalee in al-Bid'ah (pp. 26-29).
Source: 'Explanation of the Creed' by Al-Barbahaaree
Trans. Abu Talhah Dawud Burbank
Allah(swt) knows best
'Rabbee zidnee`ilmaa'
My Lord! Increase me in knowledge.[20:114]
The Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) said:
"Whoever sets out on a path to seek knowledge, Allaah will make easy his path to Paradise."
[Saheeh Muslim]
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Originally posted by Khoon-e-Shaheed:
**Actually brother I do not agree completely with fatwa-online either.
I don't want to give my personal opinion on the Tableeghi Jam'aat, but one thing's for a fact, that even the critics of the Jam'aat accept that these people are sincere.
However, the book "Fazaail-e-Aamaal" by Moulana Zakariyya Kandhlawi contains many mistakes, and it's not ok to stick to that book blindly. **
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Brother just be very careful about what you say, May He help us all. Ameen
'Rabbee zidnee`ilmaa'
My Lord! Increase me in knowledge.[20:114]
The Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) said:
"Whoever sets out on a path to seek knowledge, Allaah will make easy his path to Paradise."
[Saheeh Muslim]
I'll restate what I said.. On a personal level these guys are a good example of what Islam should be like. They're interested in helping YOU, and not themselves. However on an organizational level, there are minor corruptions.
so what was teh solution regarding palestine?? al he said was we shudnt do protests./.... WHAT ABOUT THE SOLUTION???? he didnt mention anything abt solution and WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE????
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Originally posted by appkiamaanat:
**Brother just to let you know that 'Fatwa-Online.com' is an ahlus sunnah wal jamaa' site, and Tableeghi Jamaat are not on the sunnah.
Allahu Alaam
May he guide us all, and forgive me if i've mistaken.
**
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adopt good things from them
leave controvetial issues behind..
judge them, by comparing their sayings and acts, and also compare them with Quran and hadith
recitify urself
be constructive, rather being criticizer..
MAy Allah guide us all on the right path. ameeen.
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Let me ask you few questions:
why do we need a “jamaat”?
what should be there purpose?
how should they act?
To me so called “tableeghi” jamaat is not “tableeghi” since all they intend to do is bring more people to masjid and say salaat, go out to other cities/places and bring them to masjid. This is the phenomena in Pakistan, what do they do in countries out of Pakistan? They’ll go to people who already go to mosque
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/frown.gif
anyway, I personally think that this jama’at is not “tableeghi” at all, they should change their name to something else.
the real “tableeghi” work I have seen is here in USA, people inviting non-Muslims to Islam through different ways.
May Allah SWT guide us all towards right and help us follow the right
[This message has been edited by Changez_like (edited May 22, 2002).]
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Originally posted by appkiamaanat:
**Brother just to let you know that 'Fatwa-Online.com' is an ahlus sunnah wal jamaa' site, and Tableeghi Jamaat are not on the sunnah.
Allahu Alaam
May he guide us all, and forgive me if i've mistaken.
**
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Can anyone confirm this? It is a Saudi site. But the Saudi scholars dont call themselves as Ahle-Sunnah wal Jamaah. Or do they?
Also can anyone tell me about Ahle-Suannah wal Jamaah and Ahle-Hadith. What are the differences between them?
As far as I know, the Ahle-Sunnah wal Jamaah are the followers of Imam Abu Hanifa in Fiqah. Their origin is from the sub-continent. They have further two bifurcations, the Baraylwis and the Deobandis. And the tableeghi jamaat belong to the Deobandi school of thought.
The Ahle-Hadith on the other hand are the followers of Imam Maalik and Iman Shaf'ee. They are also called Wahabis by the Ahle-Sunnah wal Jamaah. The Arab scholars belong to this school of thought. There are also some people of this sect in Pakistan.
Now please correct me if I am wrong and tell me the reality.