I don't understand while we're (the muslims) offering a hand of friendship to you (a non-muslim), but instead you can't do anything but accuse us of hating you.
Why don't you (a non-muslim) just also stretch your hand of friendship (if you any)out to us(the muslims)?
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*Originally posted by PakistaniDragon: *
I don't understand while we're (the muslims) offering a hand of friendship to you (a non-muslim), but instead you can't do anything but accuse us of hating you.
Why don't you (a non-muslim) just also stretch your hand of friendship (if you any)out to us(the muslims)?
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OK,, Mate,, I was born muslim and I think it mostly muslims who hold it against non-muslims. here in England I don't know anybody who even tries to be friends with non-muslims.
Well i'm in Lancashire, England.
I work in a factory with over 900 people. There are only 6 Muslims altogther there and we get along very well.
We greet each other everyday and night.
It's same with the rest of my family and relatives.
It could only be that you hang around with the wrong sort of people.
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*Originally posted by PakistaniDragon: *
Well i'm in Lancashire, England.
I work in a factory with over 900 people. There are only 6 Muslims altogther there and we get along very well.
We greet each other everyday and night.
It's same with the rest of my family and relatives.
It could only be that you hang around with the wrong sort of people.
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At work you greet people cos you have to I am talking about socialising with non-muslims, like be friends with non muslims inviting non muslims to your home and vis a versa like you do with your muslim fellows.
I don't invite anyone to my house and neither do I socialise, but all my relatives do and they do invite non-muslims to their homes.
I don't have time for fun, I have 5 namazs to pray.
However if I did invite people to my house, I won't be looking at their race or religion.
It's like Islam asks people to make sure your neighbours (regardless of what religion they belonged to) arn't hungry at night while your tummy is full.
It's the same concept that I believe in because I practice Islam.
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*Originally posted by PakistaniDragon: *
I don't understand while we're (the muslims) offering a hand of friendship to you (a non-muslim), but instead you can't do anything but accuse us of hating you.
Why don't you (a non-muslim) just also stretch your hand of friendship (if you any)out to us(the muslims)?
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Read my posts. I have hired three muslims in my department. Do you know how hard it is to do that in Canada post 9/11? And you ask me why I am not stretching a hand of friendship? None so blind who don't want to see.
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*Originally posted by PakistaniDragon: *
I work in a factory with over 900 people. There are only 6 Muslims altogther there and we get along very well.
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Just look at my statistics. In a department of 9 people I have 3 muslims that work for me. My gora employees have a joke. They say to be hired by me a guy/girl has to be muslim. Just do the math. 6 over 900 and 3 over 9.
All I can advice you is that you shouldn't employ racist people. Don't you have Race Relations Bills in Canada.
We the Muslims at my factory who happen to be so outnumbered, we don't face any abuse, so why is racism allowed at your place?
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*Originally posted by PakistaniDragon: *
All I can advice you is that you shouldn't employ racist people. Don't you have Race Relations Bills in Canada.
We the Muslims at my factory who happen to be so outnumbered, we don't face any abuse, so why is racism allowed at your place?
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Just how do you conclude that hiring 3 muslims out of 9 total employees constitues racism? Just for my curiosity, how manu Pak gupies would hire a hindu if they had a chance? I want to point your attention to another thread about whether a muslin should help a non-muslim. Just go there and how many of the guppies declare there that no way they are going to help any non-muslim until the very last muslim in the world is first looked after.
Some guppies (not all) employ a flagrant double standard in demanding equal treatment to muslims while not offering any to non-muslims. Are you one of them?
Peace! No fighting here guys.:o
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*Originally posted by Anwaar Qureshi: *
does not matter.. if that site says so, they are wrong.
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Anwar, bravo for daring to put morality ahead of alims. I don't know how many guppies would do that.
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*Originally posted by Sher: *
OK,, Mate,, I was born muslim and I think it mostly muslims who hold it against non-muslims. here in England I don't know anybody who even tries to be friends with non-muslims.
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Why dont you be the first one? Besides, I know many people who made non muslim friends and some of the [non muslims] are now muslims.
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*Originally posted by Sher: *
Anwar, bravo for daring to put morality ahead of alims. I don't know how many guppies would do that.
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You see aalims all the time dont have to be right. Cuz as some of the aalims do forbid you to say Salam to non muslims. But I just happen to agree with those who tell you to say salam to even the non muslims. And I've never heared that you greet them only when you have some sort of work with them.
You see I've a christan classmate. For some reason he always finds me polite. I say salam to him. A few muslim friends have asked me not to do so. The kind of nature I've. I started debate with them. But they didnt want the debate.
Point # 2: Hiring s'one and giving charity are two different things. You see even if you give charity to muslims you have to be very specific. As I wrote in the other thread if you want to give charity give to those who are in need of it for thier reasonalble [reasonable in regards with the islamic law] needs. Not otherwise. Even if a muslim goes and starts drinking wine and runs out of money, i really doubt if he would be subjected to the charity, let alone a non muslim.
just hi hello to everyone sometimes even to muslims :(...
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*Originally posted by Arvind: *Just how do you conclude that hiring 3 muslims out of 9 total employees constitues racism?
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If your allowing people to make fun of the 3 Muslims there and not do anything about it, constitutes to racism. Had you made a policy for equal opportunities, this wouldn't be happening.
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*Originally posted by Arvind: *Just for my curiosity, how manu Pak gupies would hire a hindu if they had a chance?
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How many Hindu guppies would hire Muslims if they had a chance and treat them equally as other employees?
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*Originally posted by Arvind: *I want to point your attention to another thread about whether a muslin should help a non-muslim. Just go there and how many of the guppies declare there that no way they are going to help any non-muslim until the very last muslim in the world is first looked after.
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Would you abandon your starving family in Canada to help people in Africa? No, I assume. Help those you can at first and then if you can help those at second. With modern day Charities you can help people anywhere in the world. So, i'm just helping my family (the Muslim Ummah) first and then i'll help everyone else second.
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*Originally posted by Arvind: *Some guppies (not all) employ a flagrant double standard in demanding equal treatment to muslims while not offering any to non-muslims. Are you one of them?
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Stereotype.
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*Originally posted by Muslim_Queen: *
Peace! No fighting here guys.:o
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Not fighting but discussing. We're not holding swords in our hands and talking things over.
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*Originally posted by Sandleen: *
just hi hello to everyone sometimes even to muslims :(...
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You don't have to say Hi & Hello to Muslims sometimes if you feel you shouldn't at all.
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*Originally posted by Sandleen: *
just hi hello to everyone sometimes even to muslims :(...
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Why this extreme prejudice against non-mulims? It seems absurd to have come from Alah or his prophets.
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*Originally posted by PakistaniDragon: *
If your allowing people to make fun of the 3 Muslims there and not do anything about it, constitutes to racism. Had you made a policy for equal opportunities, this wouldn't be happening.
How many Hindu guppies would hire Muslims if they had a chance and treat them equally as other employees?
Would you abandon your starving family in Canada to help people in Africa? No, I assume. Help those you can at first and then if you can help those at second. With modern day Charities you can help people anywhere in the world. So, i'm just helping my family (the Muslim Ummah) first and then i'll help everyone else second.
Stereotype.
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You are concluding a lot with no proof at all. Who said anyone was making fun of 3 muslims? They are valuable members of my staff and point me one line in my posts where I say we make fun of them. PD, do you know how to read or do you just punch any nonsense that comes to your mind?
As for for second point, I take it you will always hire only muslims first and last. I guess if I were do that, I would have hired just hindus. But then I am not as close-minded as you. As for your contention that you will help everybody second, I am not going to hold my breath for you to do that.
Why don't you just admit that for you all charity and goodwil begins and end with muslims. That would be honest instead of pretending you are some kind of thinking individual.
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Originally posted by Arvind: * **You are concluding a lot with no proof at all. Who said anyone was making fun of 3 muslims? They are valuable members of my staff and point me one line in my posts where I say we make fun of them.* PD, do you know how to read or do you just punch any nonsense that comes to your mind?
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By your posts you were implying that your doing a huge favour for unwanted (post september 11) Muslims in Canada specific.
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*Originally posted by Arvind: * As for for second point, I take it you will always hire only muslims first and last. I guess if I were do that, I would have hired just hindus.
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My Uncle manages a computer company (MircoDirect) in manchester, UK and he employes alot of non-muslims. If I were to take over, them staff will stay.
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*Originally posted by Arvind: * But then I am not as close-minded as you.
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You sound like an extreme Islamophobic.
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*Originally posted by Arvind: * As for your contention that you will help everybody second, I am not going to hold my breath for you to do that.
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I work in a non-muslim factory, I know alot of the non-muslims there and I help them whenever they want. Whether, when they need my help with their family problems or even when they need to borrow money from me.
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*Originally posted by Arvind: * Why don't you just admit that for you all charity and goodwil begins and end with muslims. That would be honest instead of pretending you are some kind of thinking individual.
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I helped a non-muslim last week financially because he had an emergency. Also usually, I drop some change in a non-muslim charity box when i'm out and about.
On top of that I give set amount or a minimum amount of charity to Muslims regularly. I prefer to give this charity to Muslims (first) in need all over the world because I feel attached to them, rather than giving money to Cancer Research or Animal Conservatories.
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*Originally posted by PakistaniDragon: *
By your posts you were implying that your doing a huge favour for unwanted (post september 11) Muslims in Canada specific.
** IMplying ? what kind of crap is that? You make statements and then don't back them with proof. Where did say that someone in my shop makes fun of them? Show it all shut up.**
My Uncle manages a computer company (MircoDirect) in manchester, UK and he employes alot of non-muslims. If I were to take over, them staff will stay.
You sound like an extreme Islamophobic.
** A strange kind of islamophobic who hires muslims and has done that last two decades. **
I work in a non-muslim factory, I know alot of the non-muslims there and I help them whenever they want. Whether, when they need my help with their family problems or even when they need to borrow money from me.
I helped a non-muslim last week financially because he had an emergency. Also usually, I drop some change in a non-muslim charity box when i'm out and about.
On top of that I give set amount or a minimum amount of charity to Muslims regularly. I prefer to give this charity to Muslims (first) in need all over the world because I feel attached to them, rather than giving money to Cancer Research or Animal Conservatories.
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Your posts are without proof. You use words like 'sounds like' to express your own hostility. I repeatedly asked you to show where I said we make fum of my muslims employees. You have failed three times to respond.
Just put your tail between your legs and run.