I find this to be a little talked about period of Muslim history, which is suprising considering the events that happened; burning down of the Ka’bah, death of so many Sahabas, the beginning of the career of Hajjaj bin Yusuf.
It is described as the second Fitna by some and I am curious to know what others know about it..
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Hajjaj Bin Yusuf is looked down by Tabe'een as well.
Btw, what is FIRST FITNAH? Do you mean Fitnah of Uthman Bin Afaan RA?
Hajjaj Bin Yusuf is looked down by Tabe'een as well.
Btw, what is FIRST FITNAH? Do you mean Fitnah of Uthman Bin Afaan RA?
Each refers to a period of time the first one (again as per what I've read) is the period of time between Hazrat Uthmans murder to the death of Hazrat Ali the second begins from the death of Muawiyah to ( i forget the exact name) the successor of Yazid. The second fitna period consists of Karbala and the battle of Al Harrah which culminated in the death of countless Sahaba and the destruction of the Ka'ba.
Beyond the general outline of Al Zubayr and the battle of Al Harrah I am afraid I don't know the specifics other than that Yazids army included a young Hajjaj and a large contingent of non Muslim soldiers in the siege of Makkah.
I am afraid I have only one book on the issue which I can dig up..but I was hoping for a broader discussion on it..if anyone else had any information. It is a period of time which seems to get largely overshadowed by Karbala..but if you read all the names of the Sahaba murdered it is a very tragic story.
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Hajjaj Bin Yusuf was a man who did both deeds of great evil (which I will not repeat, but we all know how bad they were), and also deeds of great good (he dispatched Muhammed Bin Qasim to Sindh, beginning the Islamicization of what is now Pakistan, as well as being the drive behind the jihad that spread Islam to Central Asia).
Allah SWT will inshallah weigh his evils against his good on the Day of Judgement and no injustice will be done upon that day, whichever way His judgement goes.
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If you lookup the individual biographies of the sahaba involved in this resistence (tabqat al kubra and Al-Isabah are good sources) than a lot of details emerge.3 important ones are abdullah b hanzala, muhammad b amr b hazm, sons of thabit b qays ( i forget their specific names)
Hajjaj Bin Yusuf was a man who did both deeds of great evil (which I will not repeat, but we all know how bad they were), and also deeds of great good (he dispatched Muhammed Bin Qasim to Sindh, beginning the Islamicization of what is now Pakistan, as well as being the drive behind the jihad that spread Islam to Central Asia).
Allah SWT will inshallah weigh his evils against his good on the Day of Judgement and no injustice will be done upon that day, whichever way His judgement goes.
Hajjaj did deeds of great good and "islamicization" ? if he was so concerned about islamicization why did he kill so many Tabaeen in the battle of Dayr al Jamijim ?
It amazes me how you guys find excuses for these muslim tyrants
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risings of mukhtar , medina and abdullah b zubayr were basically all uncoordinated attempts to overthrow ummayyads
intially mukhtar was allied with zubayr , later they fought each other.
revolt of medinians was not in support of abdullah b zubair , but rather to assert the medinian independence from syria.Its survivors joined abdullah b zubair just like a lot of mukhtar's supporters defected and joined ibn zubair ( even the son of Al-Ashtar, one of the notable agitators against uthman joined ibn zubair)
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regretfully yes, even though syrian brutality in medina was far greater than iraqi brutality in karbala
iraqis atleast didnt molest the female members of the camp of hussain, and many hesistated to kill hussain thats why the battle lasted so long ( not because of a rambo like sortie by hussain as some 12ers claim)
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and many hesistated to kill hussain thats why the battle lasted so long ( not because of a rambo like sortie by hussain as some 12ers claim)
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I agreed with most of the above post except the last part.
Do not bismirch the heroism of the Shaheed... Have you forgot the bravery of men like Abbas ibn Ali may Allah bless him, the brave who strode through the enemy army and broke through the lines to retrieve water.
12ers have nothing in common with me but i will not let anyone bismirch the acts of heroism that happened at Karbala.
No one dare doubt what happened.
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Faris Bhai heroism comes from courage not necessarily from supernatural feats. When Abbas Ibn Ali stood upto to thousands of well armed trained fighters that itslef is a bigger demonstration of heroism than any war heroics.
Faris Bhai heroism comes from courage not necessarily from supernatural feats. When Abbas Ibn Ali stood upto to thousands of well armed trained fighters that itslef is a bigger demonstration of heroism than any war heroics.
Indeed, that is what I was trying to convey.But 12er folklore exaggerates the human tragedy aspect of karbala, while it downplays its political implications.
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Okay point granted.
But people forget another thing these were the sons of hazrat Ali.
Who could be better fighters than sons of Islams finest swordsman?
However i agree courage and skill are different things but the Shuhada of Karbala Allah bless them were men who had both.
Anyway Das Riech i see where your coming from now so carry on i just took offence as i assumed you did not believe in the events, surely you do, but your also wise and trying to make sense of histroy.
I’ll leave you to it. 
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^ I have a healthier respect for historians than many "orthodox" muslims who dismiss their narrations as without a "reliable isnad"
In reality, the earlier historians and geneologists are the earliest known recorder of events which in later accounts were embellished and added with an indisputable isnad
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Right,
So aside to embelishments are there any major differences in the narratives?
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well as to what the differences in manuscripts are I am not in anyway qualified to comment ! but I can tell you how later traditionalists have interpreted such historical events, that can be found in their own historical works like Tabari's , ibn Athirs and ibn Kathir's.More staunch tradionalists have basically rejected all sources of history that talk about events which the muhaddiths are not too eager to remember.That is why Waqidi, ibn Kalbi, ibn Ishaq and abu mikhanaf ( who is the principal source of Karbala event) get such bad publicity.But when it comes to geneology and maghazi even the traditionalists are forced to rely directly or indirectly on their works.
Right,
So aside to embelishments are there any major differences in the narratives?
Other changes are the editing by later historians where a specific event or incident which is not in harmony with their beleifs is suppressed.This typically occurs amongst sunnis when intra-sahaba disputes are mentioned, we get a very watered down, sanitized version from them.While pro-Shia works have a tendency to exaggerate these differences.Amongst imami shias those events and incidents which highlight the human aspect of their imams and their mistakes are given another spin to keep them kosher.
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I want to know the sunni perspective on this war. Is there an authentic unbiased book on this issue.
May Allah guide us all. Ameen
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Why are you trying to look Arabic? Why "AL-Zubayr", instead of "Zubayr"?
Why Battle of "AL-Harrah", instead of "Harrah"?
Does trying to mimic Arabic make one a better Muslim?
.While pro-Shia works have a tendency to exaggerate these differences.
That's just your own biased exaggerated opinion.
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^ for ppl like him there is a beautiful saying.........oochay ki peet, rait ki bheet..........