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What a backhanded compliment to Bollywood, C.
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What a backhanded compliment to Bollywood, C.
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It wasn’t a compliment at all. ![]()
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Despite the fact that OP was intended as you said, in nip ticking the holes for his/her own guilty pleasure, and stereotyping and e.t.c… most of what I mentioned in my post holds its own ground I think. Thats who we are. Even the poster right after me highlighted the same fact.
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Classism
Many of them won’t even look at you but as soon as they find that you could benefit them, see the change in their behavior.
Its specially more obvious to those who staying abroad and people often won’t know about you, unless someone tells them.
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okay I’m guilty of that…I tend to stay away from Pakistanis (including the U.S./UK born&bred ones). Not because I hate them but because I fear they are quite a judgemental lot. And they don’t stick up for you. Having said that, I have a couple of Lahori friends and they’re alright. But yeah, I would think twice making friends with non-lahories and burqa-wearers. Again, not because anything is wrong with them but because I have my fears and my reservations which are almost irrational.
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ironic isn’t it
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These problems persist in all societies. You ask any American,Iranian,Korean,Scandinavian,Russian or Chinese…it is the same..
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O.K to add one to this thread…
That all Hindus in this universe are Indians. ![]()
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In the west, I get asked, do you speak Hindu?
I agree with your previous post. Divisions exist everywhere.
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True. But when no society looks to solve its problems, then they become worse and the society does not progress.
I love our Desi culture, we have so many amazing aspects of our culture. I’ve seen many different cultures, because I live in the Netherlands. I’ve seen Dutch culture of course, but I also saw the culture of family friends and my own personal friends who have a Turkish background, or a Moroccan culture, Algerian, British, German and French cultures for example, I compared them to our Desi culture and personally I like the Desi culture best. In my personal life, I mix the nice aspects of Dutch and Pakistani culture. I can’t live without Dutch culture nor our Desi culture.
Yet, there are the nasty aspects which ruin many nice things from our Desi culture. I’d like to see those things change. Change only happens if we look for the root of the problem and solve it.
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I don’t believe in revolution or change nor do I believe in utopian societies and perfect cultures. Sure I can control and change my own actions or may be to a degree can try to influence the actions of people around me…but Even then I can never achieve the perfection. I can never call myself a perfect human being.
Another thing about the change, cultures and societies will always evolve regardless of its good and bad elements and at one point they may achieve the title of the epitome of perfection in all its goodness and glory but the bad elements will always be there…you can never separate the both from each other.
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True. Perfection doesn’t excist on earth.
Yet, those changes you talk about, the evolving societies, they happen because people look to change some aspects of society, for better or for worse.
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You contradicted yourself by first stating change never comes, then you mentioned evolution. I agree that perfection is an ideal and can not be achieved but the pursuit to achieve this ideal is what makes us better. And yes good and bad have always been intertwined throughout history and will remain so in future. The definition of good and bad is therefore relative to both time and geography, what was previously considered bad is now acceptable and vice-versa.
Society dictates what is acceptable behavior and what is not, due to globalization we have too much information and exposure of other societies/cultures and contrasting our values with theirs results in generalizations such as ‘Pakistani Mentality’ whereas there is no such thing.
To some cultures mass slaughtering of animals that we do on Eid is barbaric, but then again who are they to judge our traditions? Therefore I think we should refrain from such generalizations, so i second @diwana
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I agree with all what you said except that one type of change is revolutionary and the other happens slowly sometimes by itself and sometimes with assistance…in later case, we call it reformation. If it were up to me I would concentrate on restoring rather than reforming or transforming.
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When I say that I don’t believe in revolution what I mean is that you can carry out the process but you have no control over the outcomes and the results of the process. The process of revolution might change the form of the bad elements but it won’t eradicate them…in fact, it can turn them into something unbeatable and indestructible, but can never diminish them completely.
That’s why I believe the world needs more activists than revolutionists. @crabman
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Restoring would mean going back to something that was good before, but what if we don’t have such a restore point. I refer you to your signature Nothing Comes from Nothing, and that means effort is required to get to a better place.
Although revolution might leave us worst off for example the Arab Spring which the whole world witnessed three years back and most of these nations are still in turmoil, but when revolution leads to a bad situation/place the progress doesn’t stop there. It is a transition phase, example is Egypt. A constant struggle is required that will eventually lead to reformation and restructuring.
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Arab Spring did more damage to Egypt than any dictatorship could have thought of. My signature means there was always a point otherwise there would have been nothing.
Going back to the topic, to judge a culture or society, you have to look at their justice system. Pointing at their ills like jealousy and other shortfalls of human nature to judge a whole culture made up of thousands of years old traditions and millions of souls is meaningless and almost ridiculous.
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Agree with you on that one. I’ve heard so much negative against what Malala is doing to Pakistan (???) compared to what some corrupt politicians are doing in the country.
I actually felt like Malala getting some media attention was showing that not all girls in Pakistan are uneducated or have their voices silenced. I don’t understand why some people have such a problem with her.
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Different people have different reasons to hate Malala.
Some think she stole Edhi’s Nobel Peace Prize. For some reason, they think this year was Edhi’s best chance. They never objected to all the Nobel Peace Prizes given out over the last so many years.
Some think, through her, the west is projecting negative image of Pakistan. As if, before Malala, Pakistan’s image was that of a very peaceful and tolerant country.
Some think, Malala hasn’t raised her voice for the children killed in drone attacks in Waziristan. They don’t have a problem with children getting killed, because they’re killed by Pakistan Air Force’s aerial bombardment as well. And you will never see them showing the same concern for the children in Balochistan, because that doesn’t fit their version of a tragedy. It must involve ‘western inflicted wounds’.
Some, like the editor in this interview, think she is promoting western, modern, co-education in Pakistan and that she is a threat to our supposedly high moral standards over the rest of the world.
So the problem is the presence of the element of ‘west’ and its ‘agenda’ and the fact that anything that is associated with the west is supposedly a conspiracy to destroy us. I don’t think these objections would have been made had Malala wore a niqaab, was a hafiz e quraan, and was awarded a prize by the Great Saudi Arabia. That would have perfectly fitted our imagination of a muslim hero.