Salaam,
I don’t know much about this topic;but i know that ppl who follow mirza believe in him as prophet and also say that they are muslim!But it’s contradictory!how can a personn say he’s Muslim and believe that?in Europe some maulvis say muslims to be carefull about mirzas because they’re trying to influence muslims.
Personnaly,i don’t consider them as Muslim.
What do u think?
Go ask the Molvees which side is Apple’s Ass.
Too bad that you don’t consider Ahmadis as Muslim. Tonight I am going to smoke some good Moroccan Brown as I am so upset about that.
Salaam,
i am sorry if my message has hurt you.Are you a mirza?So you believe in Mirza as last prophet;but you also believe in Quoran.But you know in Quoran it is written that the prophet Muhammad(PBUH) is the last prophet.
SO how can you say that?!!!
Explain me!
Allah Hafiz.
MaevaH
NYA....>>Go ask the Molvees which side is Apple’s Ass.<<
no not apple's ass, but ber's ass. When crow immitates goose,it becomes a cro-ose. You are much more pretier as a crow. You sing to the tunes of your masters, and are clever as a fox. It is just that by living in West, you are probably compelled to say it in English, while you think in Urdu, or probably Punjabi. Sultan Bahu once said:
sapaan day putr mitr na hounday,
bhaanwain chuliyaan doudh piya hu!!
Yeah Baykhatr you are right about “Ber di dhoi”, I only Anglicized it because our friend, Maveah, lives in Frogland. Anyways, what’s so wrong about being ‘clever as a fox’? I find you infuriating as a Pakistani. Don’t you have any brains to come up with better explanation than your master analogy? Don’t let me lecture you on Pakistan’s Colonial Past, you wouldn’t understand that. What you may take as “liberation” (although “oppressions is more suitable) by Mulsim conquerors is “rape of a culture” in my books.
So you think that Mullahs really know which side is Ber’s ass? I would think that they do, because they think with their ass.
AND YOU were do u live?in DONKEYLAND?
Or maybe in BRAINLESSWORLD?
Stupid and poor animal .
AND YOU were do u live?in DONKEYLAND?
Or maybe in BRAINLESSWORLD?
Stupid and poor animal .
MaevaH
AND YOU were do u live?in DONKEYLAND?
Or maybe in BRAINLESSWORLD?
Stupid and poor animal .
:NAHNAH:
I have some suggestions for you.
If you don't consider them muslims, keep your distance from them.
Make sure you don't say Salam to any Mirzas.
If Mirzas says Salaam to you, either don't reply or reply with GALIAN.
If you see any Mizas offering paryer, shoot him before he finishes his prayer.
If you see a Mirzas reading Quaran, Burn his house and make sure no body leave that burning house alive. Also make sure that Quran is also burn with the house
You just mention Mirzas name, make sure you wash you mouth inside out, use a sharp brush so I cleans every thing out.
Once you see Mirzas and family burning in the house make sure to say LOUDLY
NA RAHE TAKBEER
ALLAH O AKBAR.
Now If you do the above I assure you that you will go to Heaven.
SALAAM,
Is everybody so childish here???According to u we have to kill all nonmuslims in the world!Thanks Allah no one is like you!
Can't ppl be polite!Do u know respect word!
Salaam MAEVAH 
Please use these links to learn more about Ahmadis/Qadyanis http://alhafeez.org/rashid/british-jewish/contents.htm and http://www.irshad.org/idara/home.htm (the best). You are right about them that they are not Muslims.
Wasalaam
Irrefragable
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TO ALL except MAEVAH
CIVILITY COST NOTHING. PLEASE IF YOU CAN'T MAKE ANY SENSE, THAN DON'T MAKE NON-SENSE.
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[quote]
Originally posted by MAEVAH:
Salaam,
I don't know much about this topic;but i know that ppl who follow mirza believe in him as prophet and also say that they are muslim!But it's contradictory!how can a personn say he's Muslim and believe that?in Europe some maulvis say muslims to be carefull about mirzas because they're trying to influence muslims.
Personnaly,i don't consider them as Muslim.
What do u think?
[/quote]
Salaam MAEVAH :)
The following information was excerpted from the appendices to the English translation of TAFSIR IBN KATHIR ON TYPES OF KUFR!
The Qur'an uses the word Kufr to denote people who cover up or hide realities. The Qu'ran uses this word to identify those who denied Allah's favors by not accepting His Dominion and Authority. Kufr thus is an antonym for Iman or disbelief in Allah and a Kafir is a non-believer. This type of Kufr is called AL-KUFR UL AKBAR or major kufr. There are many types of Al-Kufr ul Akbar:
- Kufrul-'Inaad:
Disbelief out of stubborness. This applies to someone who knows the truth and admits to knowing the truth and admits to knowing it with his tongue, but refuses to accept it and refrains from making a declaration. Allah(swt) says: Throw into Hell every stubborn disbeliever [Surah Qaaf (50), Ayah 24]
- Kufrul-Inkaar:
Disbelief out of denial. This applies to someone who denies with both heart and tongue.
Allah(swt) says: They recognize the favors of Allah, yet they deny them. Most of them are disbelievers. [Surah Nahl(16), Ayah 83]
- Kufrul-Kibr:
Disbelief out of arrogance and pride. The disbelief by the devils (Iblis) is an example of this type of Kufr.
- Kufrul-Juhood:
Disbelief out of rejection.This applies to someone who aknowledges the truth in his heart, but rejects it with his tongue. This types of kufr is applicable to those who calls themselves Muslims but who reject any necessary and accepted norms of Islam such as Salaat and Zakat.
Allah (swt) says: They denied them (OUR SIGNS) even though their hearts believed in them , out of spite and arrogance. [Surah Naml(27), Ayah 14]
- Kufrul-Nifaaq:
Disbelief out of hypocrisy.This applies to someone who pretends to be a believer but conceals his disbelief. Such a person is called a MUNAFIQ or hypocrite.
Allah( swt) says: Verily the hypocrites will be in the lowest depths of Hell. You will find no one to help them. [Surah An Nisaa (4), Ayah 145]
- Kufrul-Istihaal:
Disbelief out of trying to make HARAM into HALAL. This applies to someone who accepts as lawful (Halal) that which Allah has made unlawful (Haram) like alcohol or adultery.Only Allah(swt) has the prerogative to make things Halal and Haram and those who seek to interfere with His right are like rivals to Him and therefore fall outside the boundries of faith.
- Kufrul-Kurh:
Disbelief out of detesting any of Allah's(swt) commands. Allah(swt) says: Perdition (destruction) has been consigned to those who disbelieve and He will render their actions void. This is because they are averse to that which Allah has revealed so He has made their actions fruitless. [Surah Muhammed (47), Ayah 8-9]
- Kufrul-Istihzaha:
Disbelief due to mockery and derision.
Allah (swt) says: Say: Was it at Allah, His signs and His apostles that you were mocking? Make no excuses. You have disbelieved after you have believed. [Surah Taubah (9), ayah 65-66]
- Kufrul-I'raadh:
Disbelief due to avoidance. This applies to those who turn away and avoid the truth.
Allah(swt) says: And who is more unjust than he who is reminded of his Lord's signs but then turns away from them. Then he forgets what he has sent forward (for the Day of Judgement) [Surah Kahf(18), Ayah 57]
- Kufrul-Istibdaal:
Disbelief because of trying to substitute Allah's Laws. This could take the form of: (a) Rejection of Allah's law(Shariah) without denying it (b) Denial of Allah's law and therefore rejecting it, or (c) Substituting Allah's laws with man-made laws.
Allah (swt) says: Or have they partners with Allah who have instituted for them a religion which Allah has not allowed.
[Surah Shuraa(42), Ayah 8]
Allah(swt) says: Say not concerning that which your tongues put forth falsely (that) is lawful and this is forbidden so as to invent a lie against Allah. Verily, those who invent a lie against Allah will never prosper. [Surah Nahl (16), Ayah 116]
Mirza was a British agent. I can prove that from his own writings and record. He was able to fool some morons who followed him. His followers believes in one thing. That is:
THOU SHALL NOT THINK FOR YOURSELF.
(1:1 Book of Jethro)
Ghazi
Facts Are The Authority!
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Can i say something like
[qoute]Mohammed Nabi (pbuh) was an Arab agent. I can prove that from his own writings and record. He was able to fool some morons who followed him. His followers believes in one thing. That is:
THOU SHALL NOT THINK FOR YOURSELF.
(1:1 Book of Jethro)
[/quote]
and still claim that i'm making "healthy and constructive" statements ? just curious, please, please dont blast me off with tons of snip-a-snap..
Can i say something like
[quote]
Mohammed Nabi (pbuh) was an Arab agent. I can prove that from his own writings and record. He was able to fool some morons who followed him. His followers believes in one thing. That is:
THOU SHALL NOT THINK FOR YOURSELF.
(1:1 Book of Jethro)
[/quote]
and still claim that i'm making "healthy and constructive" statements ? just curious, please, please dont blast me off with tons of snip-a-snap..
queer, tera kya banay ga kalia. chal meray saath, chal kay pakoray khatay hain...
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Queer, if that was one of your 'FAG-TACTICS' to get under muslims' skin, then I must tell you that you have succumbed to a defeat.
Your emotive behaviour is a sign that you are
encapsulated in a state of despair , and frustration.
If this seems to be the case of classist insult, well your empty-headed comments
won't earn you more.
Qadianis are kaafirs. period.
Mirza Qadiani was a kaafir murtad. period.
anyone who knows about his beliefs and denies his kufr is also a kaafir.
Queer is a kaafir as well.
Anyone who insults the Beloved Messenger of Allah sal allahu alayhi wa sallam is a kaafir murtad. period. (according to all 4 schools of thought and all ulama.)
end of discussion.
solution for qadianis: just ignore them. dont have any social interactions with them.
Mirza ghalib was a great poet. period.