What do Ahmedi's call mainstream muslims?

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Re: What do Ahmedi’s call mainstream muslims?

^ Dear brother kchughtai What’s above to do with the thread? The thread is about “What do Ahmedi’s call mainstream Muslims?”

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Peace Mr. Popat

Aqeedah is important in Islam as you know …

There are differences in Sunni and Shi’a and Ahmadiyya and these are as follows:

The core rift between Shi’a and Sunni is political … with the political rift growing prominence through time some of the Shi’a sided with Mu’tazili aqaid and the majority of Sunnis rejected that … Today our differences are no longer just political but also dogmatic … Shi’a sub-sects deviated even more and some groups now are unidentifiable with core Islam. Alhumdulillah sunni sects have had fewer issues with Divinity, but they have had some issues with the position and respect and nature of RasoolAllah (SAW).

Ahmadis rift was immediately a dogmatic one regarding finality of prophethood … the rest of the early political differences were consequential …

Core Muslim belief in its simplest manifestation is that Allah (SWT) is One and RasoolAllah (SAW) is His final messenger. The core Shi’a hold fast to this, but some of the Shi’a sects do not … Technically speaking Ahmadiyya is a Sunni sect, just as is Parveziya, and the followers of Gohar Shahi - and from the Shi’a side the Bahai and Aga Khanis are all sects … all of which DO NOT believe that RasoolAllah (SAW) is the final messenger …

It is as simple as that …

You as a person who were probably born in to an Ahmadiyya family would not be considered murtad by our guided ulema … and you would be treated in a similar way as we would treat the Ahl-al-Kitab …

So when asking about how we view Shi’a that has a range of responses some of which are that if they hold on to the correct beliefs of finality and of tawheed then the difference is political and they are classed under different grades of misguidance. But if they happen to have core beliefs outside Islam then they are labelled by our ulema as outside the pail of Islam.

Finality of prophethood is about as core as we can get … and stemming from that … the belief that Isa (AS) is alive is also core … so these are inescapable … We would expect that the way we view Christians for not accepting Sayyiduna Muhammad (SAW) would be similar to the way you view us for not accepting Mirza Ghulam Ahmad … Just as we call them outside Islam - you would for similar reasons say we are outside Islam.

But it appears that despite the clear statement coming from Mirza Bashir - that it is not the official position held by the Ahmadiyya (anymore) … which is fine … so you do take us to be Muslims - fine … our boundaries are less fluid unfortunately and we cannot reciprocate that … we have a duty to protect the boundaries of Islam - not just physical ones, but dogmatic ones too … It seems Mirza Bashir wanted to do that … but the modern day Ahmadi community do not see that as important anymore … fine.

My dear respected brother

Good post as always but I am going to differ on the highlighted part.

I think we cannot take Ahmadis/Qadianis (even those born into Ahmadiyyat faith) on par with Ahl-al-Kitab.

Reasons being:

1. Ahmadis/Qadianis have opted to believe in a false prophet, one of the thirty foretold by the Blessed Messenger of Allah Almighty (peace and blessings be upon him)

2. Muslim men are allowed to marry women from Ahl-al-Kitab. I don’t think Ahmadis/Qadianis are halal for Muslims; neither Muslim men for them

We must accept that Ahmadis/Qadianis are monotheists and are not tainted with Shirk even though following a false prophet. In this world they are for certain classified as non-Muslims. Allah Almighty is the final Judge in the Hereafter. Allah Almighty has said that He can forgive all except for Shirk.

May Allah Almighty guide these good brothers of ours Kchughtai & Mr. Popat to see the light and come to the Islam of the Blessed Messenger of Allah Almighty (peace and blessings be upon him) - ameen