What do Ahmedi's call mainstream muslims?

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: What do Ahmedi’s call mainstream muslims?

@Mr.Popat

Again, I can only sympathize with you. Let me ask you again.. did you ‘read’ it from the book you are quoting from ? you said to read page 56 and 57 .. who is going to read page 59 and 60 of the same topic ? This is the trait of Jews that you are following. Present something and hide things to make your point. Read page 59 and 60 to understand the concept of kufr. That’s exactly what I said in my earlier posts. You are too fast in pointing fingers, but have spent not a minute researching about what sort of baseless and childish allegations you are making.

Same goes for you too.

Mr. Popat – Please be civil and don’t get personal. If anybody needs growing up it is most probably you.

@Mr.Popat

lol. You kept attacking without confirming. You kept talking and talking without even cross checking the references. You expect an answer for the quotes which dont even exist on the pages you mentioned. Its even more funny to be asking for answer to the scanned pages bao bihari posted which you have no clue about whats written in it. .

In your post quoted above you claimed that **“the quotes which dont even exist on the pages you mentioned” **now that you have been proven wrong, you turned around and start accusing others being childish. Please Grow up.

I only need the relevant material from your books to put it across you. I don’t have to go through the whole put just to get the relevant material.

You ask “.. who is going to read page 59 and 60 of the same topic?”

That’s your job** Mr. Popat** – If there was anything of importance or relevant in defence of Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad you would have posted it here then.

I hope you are not suggesting that Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad has a split personality that he says something in pages 56 & 57 and completely opposite in 59 & 60. Are you?

I have read the relevant pages – please can you show us any things of importance in there.

Mr. Popat this is a debate so please keep it civil. Or maybe your only defense is to get this thread locked up by being rude to others.

I have managed to translate the scanned copy posted by **brother bao bihari **

@bao_bihari

It is letter written by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani sometime in March 1906. It is recorded in TADHKIRAH addressed to Dr. Abdul Hakim murtad (apostate)

**Transliteration **

Khuda tala nay meray par zahir kiya hay kay har aik shaksh jiss ko meri dawat pohanchi hay orr ous nay mujhe qabol nahi kiya hay who musalman nahi hay. Orr khuda kay nazdeek mooaakhizah hay

Translation

“God Almighty has conveyed it to me that every person to whom my call [message] is conveyed and who does not accept me is not a Muslim and is accountable to God for this .” **(Letter addressed to Dr. Abdul Hakeem Murtad [the apostate). [TADHKIRAH, recorded under the year 1906].
**

There you go now you have the very words of your prophet Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani declaring anyone who has heard his message [of him being a prophet] and rejected is not a Muslim [obviously meaning a kafir]!!!

Now are you to challenge Mr. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani

What more do you want?

Are you going to reject his statement too?

Earlier you had made a claim that I have been posting references which don’t exist on the pages mentioned.

That may be true as Ahmadis/Qadianis are known to alter the page numbers in new editions. This is very common phenomenon among them

@Mr.Popat

lol. You kept attacking without confirming. You kept talking and talking without even cross checking the references. You expect an answer for the quotes which dont even exist on the pages you mentioned. Its even more funny to be asking for answer to the scanned pages bao bihari posted which you have no clue about whats written in it.

Well you can check the scanned pages for the references I had posted

The site is managed by The Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement

Scanned pages from A’inah-i Sadaqat, by Mirza Mahmud Ahmad

Scanned pages from A’inah-i Sadaqat

Declaring Muslims as kafir

Declaring Muslims as kafir

I am sure now you will come back with some preposterous chidish excuse that this is all a conspiracy against your jamaat.

@Mr.Popat

Ibn Sadique, you must first apologize in public that you did NOT read straight from the book from which you are quoting. You must also be aware of the hadith in which Huzur PBUH said that for one to be a deemed as a liar, it is sufficient that he spread the heresay without confirming. You are boasting so much, but you must apologize before we go further that you copy/pasted the quotes above and misquoted them as well as given wrong page numbers (whatever you could find from your pocket of references ). You DID NOT read it from the original text.

What answer should I give to someone who is dishonest in his approach?

Above scanned pages prove you wrong. I don’t have to apologize for exposing Ahmadiyat, as facts speak loud and clear.

You accused me of misquoting falsely and if you have any decency let me see you apologizing for a turn.

I am surprised that have completely ignored to defend your khaleefahs who have been exposed as liars by exaggerating Ahmadi/Qadiani population times 20 over!

What do have to say about the above fraud of your leaders?

Allah Almighty curses the liars.