What do Ahmedi's call mainstream muslims?

Ibn_Sadique · May 15, 2014, 9:55am

Re: What do Ahmedi’s call mainstream muslims?

Mr. Popat You can ‘lol’ as much as you like to your heart’s content but last ‘lol’ will on your face.

I am not attacking but exposing lies of Ahmadis/Qadianis. Ahmadiyat is based on falsehood so to sustain this falsehood its followers have to resort to continuous lies to keep it going on.

As I said before I have taken the references from very trustable sources who are very honest and God fearing.

I pity your intelligence about which you were boasting earlier.

Yes I can’t read Urdu, that by no way means that I don’t have access to people who can read Urdu!!!

I know what is written in there! Lol from me.

It has to be noted that you have not denied the content of the scanned pages. Tacitly you have accepted it.

Did you say: “quotes which dont even exist on the pages you mentioned” LooooL?

Read my post number - 35 — Posted here on the 3rd March 2014

Therein I have given quotation of Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad and at the end I have given the link to the book [Truth about the Split By Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad]. This book is on Ahmadi/Qadiani Website – so you can trust it.

Ibn_Sadique:

Kchughtai what you have stated above is true that:

One who attributes falsehood to Allah has committed ‘zulm’

and also who has rejected the signs of Allah and rejected a true one has also committed ‘zulm’.

both have committed kufr.

Similarly, one who calls a Muslim, ‘kafir’, kufr boomerang back to him.

Please see/read the stance/view/position of your elders concerning those who do not believe in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad ibn Chiragh Bibi to anything but a charlatan:

Truth about the Split By Hadrat Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad** Khalifatul Masih II ra**

Refutation of Maulawi Muhammad Ali’s

Account of Ahmadiyya Dissensions.

After dealing with the alleged resemblance between my Jama‘at and the followers of Jesus as , Maulawi Muhammad Ali proceeds to describe the history of dissensions in the Ahmadiyya Movement, and endeavours to show how after the death of the Promised Messiah as a certain conjunction of circumstances gradually led the present writer to introduce changes in my former beliefs.

Alleged Innovations

These changes, according to Maulawi Muhammad Ali, relate to three matters;

(1) that I propagated the belief that Hadrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was actually a Nabi;

(2) the belief that he was ‘the Ahmad’ spoken of in the prophecy of Jesus as referred to in the Holy Quran in Al-Saff 61:7; and

(3) the belief that all those so-called Muslims who have not entered into his Bai‘at formally, wherever they may be, are kuffar and outside the pale of Islam, even though they may not have heard the name of the Promised Messiah as.

That these beliefs have my full concurrence, I readily admit. What I deny is the statement that I have been entertaining these views since 1914 or only three or four years before. On the contrary, as I shall presently show, the first and the last of these beliefs were entertained by me even during the lifetime of the Promised Messiah as , while the second belief developed soon after the death of the Promised Messiah as as a result of the teachings I received from Hadrat Khalifatul Masih I ra , and of the various discourses I had, with him on the subject.

Please scroll down to page 56 and 57 on the following link:

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Truth-about-the-Split.pdf

I humbly request the viewers to scroll down to pages 56 and 57 on the link above and see for yourselves that I have quoted Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad word by word saying the following:

(3) the belief that all those so-called Muslims who have not entered into his Bai‘at formally, wherever they may be, are kuffar and outside the pale of Islam, even though they may not have heard the name of the Promised Messiah as.

Mr. Popat, what you say? Are you still loooling?

Trust me other references provided shown below to refresh your memory] are as authentic as the above.

Ibn_Sadique:

**A’inah-i Sadaqat ** - same author book in Urdu

“The article was elaborately entitled A Muslim is one who believes in all the messengers of God'. The title itself is sufficient to show that the article was not meant to prove merely that those who did not accept the Promised Messiah were deniers of the Promised Messiah’. Its object rather was to demonstrate that those who did not believe in the Promised Messiah were not Muslims.”** A’inah-i Sadaqat** (pp. 135-136)

“Regarding the main subject of my article, I wrote that as we believed the Promised Messiah to be one of the prophets of God, we could not possibly regard his deniers as Muslims.” A’inah-i Sadaqat (pp. 137-138)

“not only are those deemed to be Kafirs who openly style the Promised Messiah as Kafir, and those who although they do not style him thus, decline still to accept his claim, but even those who, in their hearts, believe the Promised Messiah to be true, and do not even deny him with their tongues, but hesitate to enter into his Bai`at, have here been adjudged to be Kafirs.” A’inah-i Sadaqat (pp. 139 -140)

“And lastly, it was argued from a verse of the Holy Quran that such people as had failed to recognise the Promised Messiah as a Rasul even if they called him a righteous person with their tongues, were yet veritable Kafirs.” A’inah-i Sadaqat (p. 140)

veritable Kafirs” are “pakkay kafir” in the original Urdu book

You can deny the above too. I’m sure ever resourceful brother bao bihari will get the scanned pages for you [and the viewers]

And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish." The Blessed Quran 17:81