What do Ahmedi's call mainstream muslims?

[Mr.Popat]

Re: What do Ahmedi’s call mainstream muslims?

@Ibn_Sadique

Granted that ‘our’ scholars despite calling Shias kafir still call them Muslims – Note: They don’t consider them out of Pale of Islam

Likewise Shia scholars despite calling Sunni kafir still call them Muslims – Note: They don’t consider them out of Pale of Islam

You have made a claim on same lines that you take non-Ahmadis as kafir on the grounds that they have rejected a prophet but still call them Muslims and consider them within the Pale of Islam.

How does it make sense in your head that sunni scholars call shias kaafir BUT dont consider them out of the pale of Islam? Are you agreeing with me that one can be a kafir and can still be Muslim ? You earlier raised a point that how can a kafir be called Muslim. Either he is Muslim or Kafir. One cannot be both. Same question goes back to you too.

So you agree that a Muslim can be called a kafir but can still remain within the pale of Islam ?

Now look at the statements and Position of **Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad **(He is son of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani and your second leader) :-

The belief that all those so-called Muslims who have not entered into his Bai‘at formally, wherever they may be, are kuffar and outside the pale of Islam, even though they may not have heard the name of the Promised Messiah as.

“The article was elaborately entitled A Muslim is one who believes in all the messengers of God'. The title itself is sufficient to show that the article was not meant to prove merely that those who did not accept the Promised Messiah were deniers of the Promised Messiah’. Its object rather was to demonstrate that those who did not believe in the Promised Messiah were not Muslims.”** A’inah-i Sadaqat (pp. 135-136)**

“Regarding the main subject of my article, I wrote that as we believed the Promised Messiah to be one of the prophets of God, we could not possibly regard his deniers as Muslims.”** A’inah-i Sadaqat (pp. 137-138)**

“not only are those deemed to be Kafirs who openly style the Promised Messiah as Kafir, and those who although they do not style him thus, decline still to accept his claim, but even those who, in their hearts, believe the Promised Messiah to be true, and do not even deny him with their tongues, but hesitate to enter into his Bai`at, have here been adjudged to be Kafirs.”** A’inah-i Sadaqat (pp. 139 -140) **

“And lastly, it was argued from a verse of the Holy Quran that such people as had failed to recognise the Promised Messiah as a Rasul even if they called him a righteous person with their tongues, were yet veritable Kafirs.” A’inah-i Sadaqat (p. 140) veritable Kafirs” are “pakkay kafir” in the original Urdu book

Don’t fool yourself. Your scholars call eachother kafir. Sunnis call Shias Kafir and shias call sunnis Kafir. Your scholars have enmity against eachother, consider eachother to be kafir by their hearts.. what good is it to call the other ‘within the pale of islam’ when your scholars hearts are full of hatred against each other?

Again, I repeat, we call you Muslim for the same reason your scholars call Shias Muslim despite numerous fatwas against them. Who decides whose ‘within the pale of Islam’ is not upto us. God is the best judge.

You have taken unattainable position – You cannot put your feet in two boats. Either you are right or Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad got it wrong.

You cannot throw doubt on the maturity and intelligence of the viewers here. You cannot hoodwink them.

I think you should just calm down now. You have already done Islam a huge favor. Kindly think with your clear mind why your scholars have called shia Muslims as kaafir and still call them Muslim, and then come back here and entertain people. I dont need to hoodwink anyone. I got enough better things to do than that. Your job now is to find out why your scholars call shias kafir and also call them ‘within the pale of Islam’ ( therefore calling them Muslims ).

Hamari billi billi..tumhaari billi lilly ?