What do Ahmedi's call mainstream muslims?

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: What do Ahmedi’s call mainstream muslims?

Mr. Popat – You think you have made a ‘smart move’ (by your reckoning) by trying to divert the direction of the debate?

Smart move? Certainly not. Over smart? Certainly yes.

Your diversionary ploy is not going to let you off the hook.

The topic of this thread is “What do Ahmedi’s call mainstream muslims?”

@bao_bihari

why i am asking is becuase ahmedis have history of misquoting things.

Respected brother bao bihari is absolutely right in the quotation above.

Ahmadis are known for twisting, misrepresenting, misquoting and distorting the meanings of verses of the blessed Quran, ahadith and sayings of the scholars to justify their creed.

The videos that you have posted are in line with what I have stated above.

Please open a new thread with what have posted here so we can tackle it and expose its intellectual-dishonesty and bankruptcy and cheap attempt to hoodwink the people. I dare you!

Now let us see IF you can respond to the following: This is in line with topic of the thread.

@Ibn_Sadique

The topic of this thread is “What do Ahmedi’s call mainstream muslims?”

Trust me, I do read all that you (and others) write – Indeed you have given answers which you want us to hear well knowing that this is not according to stance of your elders.

The reason I love to beat my own drum is to wake you (and others) up to notice the glaring discrepancy in what you want us to hear and what your elders have stated?

By answers given by you (and others) You are still keep mainstream Muslims within the fold of Islam contrary to your elders who have declared non Ahmadis as kaffirs, non-Muslims and out of pale of Islam!

See for yourself yet again:

@Ibn_Sadique

The Ahmadi/Qadiani posters have stated that they call mainstream Muslims as: Non-Ahmadi Muslims. Ghair Ahmadi Muslims ----- contrary to their eminent leader’s positions.

Whereas their eminent leaders have used the following words and phrases:

*‘not Muslims’

‘we could not possibly regard his deniers as Muslims’

‘not Muslims’

‘not only are those deemed to be Kafirs’

‘have here been adjudged to be Kafirs’

‘veritable Kafirs’ = ‘pakkay kafir’*

Kchughtai be brave and disown the statements of Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad & Chaudhry Zafarullah Khan, if you don’t then your stance is just a smokescreen to fool the people.

So who is speaking on behalf of your jamaat?

You and others over here?

OR should we trust Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad & Chaudhry Zafarullah Khan?

Who is trying to hoodwink us?

This is what you and others are not answering!

Let’s clear this and we move on.

The objective is to simply point out the glaring discrepancy between your answers and the statements made your eminent scholars!

It makes no difference at all if Ahmadis consider us Muslims or not but please don’t hoodwink us with wrong answers.

The only conclusion I can draw is that Ahmadis try to hoodwink others to the reality about themselves. Just as in some post in this thread I showed how Ahmadi leadership tried to hoodwink others and their own followers too that there were 200 million Ahmadis worldwide in 2004!!!

I might as well address the following:

@Mr.Popat

Jamaat e Ahmadiyya by the grace of Allah has a founder who was sent by Allah. Had it been from anyone beside Allah, it would have been destroyed long ago. It is the mere grace of Allah and continuous dua’s of Promised Messiah(as) for his followers that he once said and I quote:

"

khuda ne mujhe bar bar khbar di hai k wo mujhe bohot azmat de ga aor meri muhabbat dilon mein bithae ga aor mere silsila ko tamam zameen mein phelae ga, aor sab firqo’n par mere firqe ko ghalib kare ga, aor mere firqe ke log is qadar illm o maarfat mein kamaal haasil karen ge k apni sachai ke noor aor apne dalaael aor nishaanon se sab ka moun band kar den ge. Aor har aik qaum is chashma se paani piye gi. Aor ye silsila zor se barhe ga aor phoole ga aor yahan tak ke zameen mein moheet ho jaega. Bohot si rokeN paida hongi aor ibtalaen aaengi magar khuda sab ko darmiyan se utha de ga, aor apne waade ko pura karega. Aor khuda ne mujhe mukhaatib kar ke farmaya ke main tujhe barkat pe barkat doonga yahan tak ke baadshah tere kaproN se barkat dhoondenge. "

Such powerful words, such glory in every single word of it.

Barkat pe barkat? See How shamelessly your leaders lie about Ahamdi population!

@Ibn_Sadique

Ahmadis Victorious?

Wake up! Stop dreaming and smell the coffee.

You think that you guys have got a Khilaafat? Just because some dude has been selected and bestowed with title of Khalifah to collect Chanda?

On which land on this vast planet does this khilaafat exist for last hundred odd years?

Khaleefah has to implement Law of Allah Almighty on land – which khaleefah of yours has done this apart from collecting chanda?

Your khaleefah has taken refuge in foreign land ironically the Head of State of that very country is Head of Church of England – the church that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad had claimed to have destroyed!!!

On the other hand, your khaleefah is under the British Government following their law and not that of Allah Almighty! He has no authority to rule or judge over anything. He himself is subject to the British laws and Government; he himself must pay taxes to the government. So how can he be a khaleefah?

Seeds of ‘Self planted tree of British Empire’ has come back to the home of their master.
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Fraud about Ahmadi population:**

Sri Lankan Ahmadi Jamaat claims 220 Ahmadis Worldwide

LankaWeb News 220 Million Ahmadis

Mirza Tahir claims 200 million Ahmadis Worldwide (around 2003?)

The 200 Million Figure - wiki 200 million Ahmadis

Mirza Masroor Ahmad claims 170 million Ahmadis

The Hindu : Kerala / Kochi News : Ahmadiyya leader calls for joint action to contain terrorism 170 million Ahmadis

Mirza Masroor Ahmad claims 70 million Ahmadis

http://www.alislam.org/khilafat/fifth/preaching%20peace.pdf 70million Ahmadis

Latest Ahmadi figures - Exceeding tens of millions

An Overview latest figures from Ahmadi sources

Exceeding tens of millions

Ahmadi population figures by independent sources just over 10 million!

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to some estimates the total population of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community worldwide is over 10 million, of whom 8,202,000 live in south asia.[35] - • James Minahan: Encyclopedia of the stateless nations. Ethnic and national groups around the world. Greenwood Press . Westport 2002, page 52

Ahmadi Khaleefahs = Big Time Liars

And you call this help of Allah Almighty?

Don’t you see Allah Almighty did not let your ‘prophet’ or his successors visit the Blessed Bait Allah ‘His House?’

Except your second khaleefah with help of the British. I bet he kept a low profile and didn’t introduce himself as khaleefah of ‘muslims’.