What do Ahmedi's call mainstream muslims?

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: What do Ahmedi’s call mainstream muslims?

My dear brother Kchughtai

It is obvious to all that yet again for the umpteenth time you and your ‘jamaat friends’ are avoiding answering the simple questions posed to you and resorting to diversionary tactics to divert the thread to another direction

You are using a cheap dramatic debating trick–“When stumped for an answer just pose new questions to divert the debate in another direction”.

Sorry, I am not going to play your game.

@kchughtai

As you are very knowlegeable and love to pull references. Pls answer the above questions before we move forward.

You want to move forward? Hey, Wait you have yet to answer some questions posed to you?

You have yet to clear a great discrepancy between what Ahmadis/Qadianis posters are stating here and what their eminent leaders have stated –

Allow me to post the question yet again for the umpteenth time:

@Ibn_Sadique

The point of contention between Muslims and Ahmadis is the status of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani made many claims for himself and the main ones being that he is a prophet from Allah Almighty and the Promised mahdi.

All Muslims reject the claims of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani and take him to be charlatan and a fraud. To all the Muslims this claim by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani takes him out of pale of Islam and all those who follow him are in the same boat (out of pale of Islam). This is due to their own actions.

Whereas, Ahmadis accept Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani to be rightful prophet & mahdi from Allah Almighty.

So logically to Ahmadis anyone who rejects claims of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani is out fold of Islam thus a kaffir.

Using the above principle Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad son and second successor of your prophet declared anyone who doesn’t believe in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani claims to be non-Muslim and out of pale of Islam.

He never used the following terms: Non-Ahmadi Muslims. Ghair Ahmadi Muslims for them.

At least he was true to his beliefs and didn’t mince his words.

Read again what he said:

“The article was elaborately entitled A Muslim is one who believes in all the messengers of God'. The title itself is sufficient to show that the article was not meant to prove merely that those who did not accept the Promised Messiah were deniers of the Promised Messiah’. Its object rather was to demonstrate that those who did not believe in the Promised Messiah were not Muslims.” A’inah-i Sadaqat (pp. 135-136)

“Regarding the main subject of my article, I wrote that as we believed the Promised Messiah to be one of the prophets of God, we could not possibly regard his deniers as Muslims.” A’inah-i Sadaqat (pp. 137-138)

“not only are those deemed to be Kafirs who openly style the Promised Messiah as Kafir, and those who although they do not style him thus, decline still to accept his claim, but even those who, in their hearts, believe the Promised Messiah to be true, and do not even deny him with their tongues, but hesitate to enter into his Bai`at, have here been adjudged to be Kafirs.”** A’inah-i Sadaqat (pp. 139 -140)

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“And lastly, it was argued from a verse of the Holy Quran that such people as had failed to recognise the Promised Messiah as a Rasul even if they called him a righteous person with their tongues, were yet veritable Kafirs.” A’inah-i Sadaqat (p. 140)

• veritable Kafirs” are “pakkay kafir” in the original Urdu book

Now either the Ahmadi posters here are stating the truth that Ahmadis take Muslims who reject Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani as ‘Non-Ahmadi Muslims’ ‘Ghair Ahmadi Muslims’

Or Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad and Chaudhry Zafarullah Khan are liars and are misrepresenting Ahmadi stance towards those who reject claims of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani

Brother Bao Bihari has repeatedly asked you about statement of Chaudhry Zafarullah Khan with regards to him not joining Funeral prayers of Mr. Jinnah. You have willfully ignored to respond.

Obviously we know why (and you know it too)

Following is the statement made by Chaudhry Zafarullah Khan when asked why he had not joined Funeral prayers held for Mr Jinnah when he was at the location (where funeral was taking place):

“You may take me to be the Musalman Minister of an infidel Government or the infidel employee of a Muslim Government”.

Note: He made a clear cut distinction that either He was a Muslim and the rest where Infidels or he was an infidel and the rest were Muslims.

He had a different answer at Inquiry Tribunal

"Maulana Shabbir Ahmad Usmani, the leader of the funeral prayer, has declared that the Ahmadis are Kafirs and liable to be executed. So, I could not decide to join a prayer which was being conducted under the Imamat of the Maulana”

The Ahmadi/Qadiani posters have stated that they call mainstream Muslims as: Non-Ahmadi Muslims. Ghair Ahmadi Muslims ----- contrary to their eminent leader’s positions.

Whereas their eminent leaders have used the following words and phrases:

*‘not Muslims’

‘we could not possibly regard his deniers as Muslims’

‘not Muslims’

‘not only are those deemed to be Kafirs’

‘have here been adjudged to be Kafirs’

‘veritable Kafirs’ = ‘pakkay kafir’*

Kchughtai be brave and disown the statements of Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad & Chaudhry Zafarullah Khan, if you don’t then your stance is just a smokescreen to fool the people.

Believe me this is getting boring now.