What do Ahmedi's call mainstream muslims?

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: What do Ahmedi’s call mainstream muslims?

@Mr.Popat

I dont mean to come back on this thread again.. but for heaven’s sake bao bihari.. come on buddy!!! the answer has been given to you. Here’s the answer one more time.

Whats a kafir ? a kafir is not a derogatory term that is used to disrespect anyone. It is a term for people who simply deny. Period.

Do we forcefully call you kafir or because you choose to be a kafir yourself? you decide.
Then, think about what other Muslims will be when Jesus a.s do return according to your belief.
Think about kufr Muslims commit by not praying ( a hadith saying one who does not pray commits kufr )

As a Muslim, we are obligated to believe in all prophets of Allah. Look at it from Ahmadi’s POV for a minute ok? We call Hz Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) to be the same Messiah and Mahdi whose advent was foretold by Holy Prophet PBUH. Now, since we consider him to be a prophet, and you dont, from our side, you are committing kufr. However, just the kufr of not believing in the person sent by Allah. Now, even after committing that kufr, you can still be a Muslim, just like how the label of Muslim stays with the person even if he does not pray.

Kindly think with a clear mind, and understand that being a kafir is something you choose for yourself. It is not implied on you. Unlike mainstream Muslims who not only call Ahmadis non muslims, but rather demand Ahmadis to ‘act’ like non muslims too.

I hope this is clear and hopefully this thread dont go beyond this page.

My dear friend Popat

For Muslims there are six essential beliefs in Islam. Belief in six things: Allah, Angels of Allah, Books of Allah, Prophets of Allah, there is fate and whatever good or bad is from Allah, there is afterlife.

Denying any of the above renders one to out of pale of Islam – thus a kaffir.

The point of contention between Muslims and Ahmadis is the status of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani made many claims for himself and the main ones being that he is a prophet from Allah Almighty and the Promised mahdi.

All Muslims reject the claims of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani and take him to be charlatan and a fraud. To all the Muslims this claim by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani takes him out of pale of Islam and all those who follow him are in the same boat (out of pale of Islam). This is due to their own actions.

Whereas, Ahmadis accept Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani to be rightful prophet & mahdi from Allah Almighty.

So logically to Ahmadis anyone who rejects claims of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani is out fold of Islam thus a kaffir.

Using the above principle Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad son and second successor of your prophet declared anyone who doesn’t believe in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani claims to be non-Muslim and out of pale of Islam.

He never used the following terms: Non-Ahmadi Muslims. Ghair Ahmadi Muslims for them.

At least he was true to his beliefs and didn’t mince his words.

Read again what he said:

“The article was elaborately entitled A Muslim is one who believes in all the messengers of God'. The title itself is sufficient to show that the article was not meant to prove merely that those who did not accept the Promised Messiah were deniers of the Promised Messiah’. Its object rather was to demonstrate that those who did not believe in the Promised Messiah were not Muslims.” A’inah-i Sadaqat (pp. 135-136)

“Regarding the main subject of my article, I wrote that as we believed the Promised Messiah to be one of the prophets of God, we could not possibly regard his deniers as Muslims.” A’inah-i Sadaqat (pp. 137-138)

“not only are those deemed to be Kafirs who openly style the Promised Messiah as Kafir, and those who although they do not style him thus, decline still to accept his claim, but even those who, in their hearts, believe the Promised Messiah to be true, and do not even deny him with their tongues, but hesitate to enter into his Bai`at, have here been adjudged to be Kafirs.”** A’inah-i Sadaqat (pp. 139 -140)
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“And lastly, it was argued from a verse of the Holy Quran that such people as had failed to recognise the Promised Messiah as a Rasul even if they called him a righteous person with their tongues, were yet veritable Kafirs.” A’inah-i Sadaqat (p. 140)

• veritable Kafirs” are “pakkay kafir” in the original Urdu book

**Brother bao bihari **asked a question which is willfully being ignored

@bao_bihari

i hope you know about Mirza zafar ullah khan statement on quaid e azam namaz e jinaza.

@bao_bihari

meanwhile what about what zafarullah qaidyani said on quaid e azam funeral?

Ahmedi stance is confusing, they treat muslims as kaffir yet not admit it on forums.

Now either the Ahmadi posters here are stating the truth that Ahmadis take Muslims who reject Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani as ‘Non-Ahmadi Muslims’ ‘Ghair Ahmadi Muslims’

Or Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad and Chaudhry Zafarullah Khan are liars and are misrepresenting Ahmadi stance towards those who reject claims of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani

@Mr.Popat

I hope this is clear and hopefully this thread dont go beyond this page.

Only if you guys had been as sincere as Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad and Chaudhry Zafarullah Khan about Ahmadi/Qadiani stance this thread would not have gone beyond page 1. You guys have been dragging this thread along with all the Verbal gymnastics & somersaults and doublespeak you could muster up.

Choice is yours. Own up to Messrs. Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad’s and Chaudhry Zafarullah Khan’s statements or declare them to be misrepresenting Ahmadi/Qadiani position.