psyah
March 24, 2014, 6:52am
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Re: What do Ahmedi’s call mainstream muslims?
My comments in red below:
Peace,
“there is no prophet after me and no new shariyah will be born” ** If there’s no prophet after Him the way you’re taking it then Jesus a.s cannot be prophet according to you. False - Isa (AS) is not a new prophet … Mirza Ghulam Ahmad on the hand is a new claimant. If you say such a thing then really, you are conflicting with Quran,hadith, and your scholars. **No … my scholars is who I get my stuff from … **Please keep in mind what ‘after’ or ‘baad’a’ means in Arabic. If you look in Quran, it is used as to mean ‘except’ as well. For example, there is a verse which states that who will they worship after/except Allah. I would use the words “other than”, except infers isolation which is incorrect … and this is a red-herring for this context. The word there is used ‘baad’a’ not to be after, since there is no after Allah. It means except. We interpret Quran and ahadith in such a way that it makes sense and that interpretation do not contradict with other interpretation of verses. But let’s see how that translates in all three cases.
**1) There is no prophet after me
Sorry that trick of yours didn’t work …**
a) rasulAllah took them all as liars.Red-herring … the killing was meant they had to be stopped from misleading the Ummah just as speaking to them was meant to achieve the same. Muhammad PBUH personally went to one of the claimant and asked him for proofs. Red-herring - again. Sahabah killed them or how ever they were dealt with is not sahabah killing them, but rather thats the sunnah and promise of Allah that was fulfilled. True - but also a red-herring, we were talking about the mindset of how new claimants were taken.
They COULD NOT have been true prophets. What is so hard to understand ?? There’s a hadith which states that Muhammad PBUH addressed Hazrat Ali (as) when he was going for some battle and said that You are to me as Haron(as) was to Moses(as), except that there is no prophet except me. Prophet Muhammad PBUH had to say this to distinguish the difference between Haron (as) and Ali(ra) for people to know that Haron and Moses(as) were both present at the same time, and they both were prophets. But there is no prophet except me( Muhammad PBUH ). You are just taking the debate in a wrong direction. Now you are bending the translation further than you have already done so - First you argued that ba’da means except when used for Allah (SWT) … so this is a secondary translation not a primary one and then you apply it wrongly here and then give another meaning to it that it contains somehow the meaning “at the same time” … there is no need to use the secondary meaning here - use the primary meaning … “there is no prophet after me” … simple.
They raised army against Muslims. They were killed. That is just wrong … let’s see you prove that. For other reason but NOT because they claimed prophethood. Muhammad PBUH did not order to kill them. If Muhammad PBUH did not order , does it mean he pbuh took them to be true ? (Nauzubillah). C’mon psyah! I thought you could do better.
Read this again.
If someone claims to be a prophet>> one of 2 is true >> Allah knows about it or doesn’t know about it. >> If we say Allah was not aware of it, then we r denying his attribute of ‘all knowing’ >> if we say Allah knew about His claim .. then one of 2 is true >> Whether Allah will destroy Him and his mission will not prosper OR Allah will help Him and the jamaat that he establish, the early followers of Him, and Allah will be by their side all the time.
Now that is the formula. I let you be the judge.
Actually Allah (SWT) will also allow Dajjal to be successful in exactly the way that you describe above … I pray that you do not fall in to his grip when Dajjal arrives … lesser Dajjals can be escaped from easier.