What do Ahmedi's call mainstream muslims?

[Mr.Popat]

Re: What do Ahmedi’s call mainstream muslims?

@Ibn_Sadique

Here we go round and round – back in circular motion yet again.

Please listen to this for once – We don’t have to repeat it again and again.

If you don’t understand it then it is your problem.

The Last person appointed to be Prophet by Allah Almighty is the Blessed Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). After him there will be no more appointments. The door of Prophet hood is closed forever. The seal of Prophet hood has been set never to be broken. This Seal has been put in place by Allah Almighty Himself at His own pleasure.

Whoever claims to be a prophet will be deemed a liar, pretender and a charlatan. By this act he will become a kaffir.

Prophet Jesus ibn Maryum (as) is not the last appointed Prophet.

The Blessed Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) has told us on second coming of Prophet Jesus ibn Maryum (as) – this time around he will come to lead the Muslim Ummah and the world at large to Victory over falsehood and bring justice to the World.

This is the Belief of 1.7 Billion Muslims.

You don’t have to believe it no problems.

No. Hang on there. Now, why are you making a different meaning of khataman nabiyeen. You are NOW implying it to mean Muhammad PBUH is the last ‘appointed’ prophet, and there will be no ‘new appointed’ prophet after Him. Where did this come from ??? You are putting your own definition in it. Do you not see that ?

The seal of prophethood is set to never be broken ? Who is Jesus a.s ? he WILL be coming with a NEW mission right, therefore it doesnt matter if he was appointed before or whatever, HE WILL be coming with a NEW mission ! how in the world will you not see him as a new prophet, this time sent for Muslims ??? How will He know his NEW mission if Allah will NOT tell him what to do ??? Are you saying a ‘non-prophet’ will have all the power of changing the world, something even prophets couldnt do ?

The Blessed Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) also warned us about coming of false prophets. Those who fall in the nefarious traps of these false prophets will leave the fold of Islam.

This is what Ahmadis have done (fallen in trap of a false prophet).

That’s just being emotional there. Someone who fails to recognize a true prophet gets his share of sin too.

Let me give you an example.

If some fake person comes to you wearing police uniform and ask you to show him your driving licence, auto insurance etc.. if you provide him with all that he ask for, then you are NOT at fault, simply because you THOUGHT he represented police and as a good citizen you ought to obey the law. The government will take action against that fake police officer, but no action is taken against you.

If a person who actually represent police and ask you to provide him with whichever documentation he needs, and if you DO NOT give him, the action WILL be taken against you, NOT the one who actually is a police officer.

Same thing applies here. If you choose not to accept a prophet sent by Allah, then Allah will take action against you, not his prophet. If I am believing a ‘false’ prophet, then that person’s punishment is with Allah, and no action will be taken against me, as i THOUGHT he was from Allah. ( Fake police officer being a fake prophet, a real police officer being a real prophet, and government would be Allah in this whole example ). I hope you understand.

We don’t see any contradiction at all.

Let me repeat myself yet again

1. The Last person appointed to be a Prophet by Allah Almighty is the Blessed Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). After him no more appointments. The door of Prophet hood is closed forever. The seal of Prophet hood has been set never to be broken. This Seal has been put in place by Allah Almighty Himself at His own pleasure.

2. Prophet Jesus ibn Maryum (as) is not the last appointed Prophet.

3. Even as a Prophet, Prophet Jesus ibn Maryum’s (as) mission this time around will be to lead the Muslim Ummah and the world at large to Victory over falsehood and bring justice to the World.

So, Muhammad PBUH is the last ‘born’ prophet, whereas, Jesus a.s will be the last prophet to ‘die’ ?

I’m simply amazed how you see no contradiction at all.

Jesus a.s upon his second coming will be given a new task and mission. Do you believe Gabriel will not be coming to Him to tell him to do this and that ? or will he already be educated about his mission?

Jesus a.s will be a prophet. New or old appointment is your own made up explanation. He will be given a new mission, therefore, Gabriel will be coming to Him just like how he came to other prophets. Now tell me again what does khataman nabiyeen mean ?

Absolutely true. Belief in all the Prophets (peace be upon all) is a must. Otherwise one becomes a kaffir.

On the other hand if one believes in all the Prophets (peace be upon all) and breaks the Seal of Prophet hood to add a false prophet in the list – As Ahmadi do. This action takes one out of Islam.

OK. Jesus a.s will not be breaking the ‘seal’ of prophet ? Please tell me how His new mission, him being called a prophet, him renewing the true teachings of Islam doesn’t break the seal of prophethood ? If you accept Jesus, trust me you will also be taken out of the fold of Islam by people who wont accept Jesus a.s. Choice is yours as i said before. Be called a Muslim and reject Allah’s prophet, or be called a kafir and be acceptable in the eyes of Allah.

This is according to the Quran and ahadith.

As you said one becomes a kaffir by rejecting even one article of faith – one of the articles being imaan in all Prophets – all the Muslims reject the claim of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as a prophet. He is same to us as Musaylimah the liar.

Will you now take them as Muslims or Kaffirs?

Or you prefer to call them non-Ahmadi Muslims?

Now be true to what you said:

“You only become kafir if you reject one of the article of faith, one of them is imaan on 'all the prophets”

We don’t believe in your prophet!!!

What do we call a person who reject Hz Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) ? Same as what you believe a Muslim who abandons prayers and same as what you believe what a Muslim will be when he kills a fellow Muslim