What do Ahmedi's call mainstream muslims?

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: What do Ahmedi’s call mainstream muslims?

@Mr.Popat

If Muhammad PBUH proclaimed to be the last prophet the way you’re taking it, then what is your understanding on the coming of Jesus a.s ?
You are saying Muhammad PBUH is the ‘last’ prophet.
You are saying Jesus a.s will come back again
You are saying people who will reject Jesus a.s will be kafirs.

Here we go round and round – back in circular motion yet again.

Please listen to this for once – We don’t have to repeat it again and again.

If you don’t understand it then it is your problem.

The Last person appointed to be Prophet by Allah Almighty is the Blessed Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). After him there will be no more appointments. The door of Prophet hood is closed forever. The seal of Prophet hood has been set never to be broken. This Seal has been put in place by Allah Almighty Himself at His own pleasure.

Whoever claims to be a prophet will be deemed a liar, pretender and a charlatan. By this act he will become a kaffir.

Prophet Jesus ibn Maryum (as) is not the last appointed Prophet.

The Blessed Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) has told us on second coming of Prophet Jesus ibn Maryum (as) – this time around he will come to lead the Muslim Ummah and the world at large to Victory over falsehood and bring justice to the World.

This is the Belief of 1.7 Billion Muslims.

You don’t have to believe it no problems.

The Blessed Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) also warned us about coming of false prophets. Those who fall in the nefarious traps of these false prophets will leave the fold of Islam.

This is what Ahmadis have done (fallen in trap of a false prophet).

@Mr.Popat

If you say >> Jesus a.s WILL be coming as a ‘prophet’, then you contradict with your own self when you say Muhammad PBUH is the ‘last’ prophet.
You only become kafir if you reject one of the article of faith, one of them is imaan on ‘all the prophets’

We don’t see any contradiction at all.

Let me repeat myself yet again

1. The Last person appointed to be a Prophet by Allah Almighty is the Blessed Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). After him no more appointments. The door of Prophet hood is closed forever. The seal of Prophet hood has been set never to be broken. This Seal has been put in place by Allah Almighty Himself at His own pleasure.

2. Prophet Jesus ibn Maryum (as) is not the last appointed Prophet.

3. Even as a Prophet, Prophet Jesus ibn Maryum’s (as) mission this time around will be to lead the Muslim Ummah and the world at large to Victory over falsehood and bring justice to the World.

@Mr.Popat

You only become kafir if you reject one of the article of faith, one of them is imaan on ‘all the prophets’

Absolutely true. Belief in all the Prophets (peace be upon all) is a must. Otherwise one becomes a kaffir.

On the other hand if one believes in all the Prophets (peace be upon all) and breaks the Seal of Prophet hood to add a false prophet in the list – As Ahmadi do. This action takes one out of Islam.

This is according to the Quran and ahadith.

As you said one becomes a kaffir by rejecting even one article of faith – one of the articles being imaan in all Prophets – all the Muslims reject the claim of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as a prophet. He is same to us as Musaylimah the liar.

Will you now take them as Muslims or Kaffirs?

Or you prefer to call them non-Ahmadi Muslims?

Now be true to what you said:

“You only become kafir if you reject one of the article of faith, one of them is imaan on 'all the prophets”

We don’t believe in your prophet!!!

There can be no such term as “Non Ahmadi Muslims” – “So-called Muslims” as used by Mr. Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad is more appropriate.

@Mr.Popat

answer has been given ibn sadique, what is the matter with you ??? He cannot be called a Muslim because he reject who we believe to be a prophet of Allah. I told you earlier how a Muslim MUST believe in all prophets of Allah, or else he is denying an article of Islam. He fails to be a Muslim in the eyes of Allah, and his Prophet Muhammad PBUH. You accepted it yourself that rejectors of Jesus a.s will be kafirs.

The answer was not given at all - it has been dragged out of you against your will - Agreed to that – We don’t reject Hz. Jesus ibn Maryum (as) We reject the false Jesus bin Chirag Bibi – So should be labelled as kaffirs – not as ‘non-Ahmadi Muslims’ you lot do.

@Mr.Popat

But, if he think he is Muslim, then his imaan is with Allah. We dont point fingers at who is and who is not a Muslim. Therefore, we call kafir of Promised Messiah to be a kafir of Promised Messiah(as) ONLY.

Mr. Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad was pointing fingers somewhere – against whom?

You are playing with words again my dear** Mr. Popat.**

You don’t call kafir of Promised Messiah to be a kafir of Promised Messiah(as) ONLY

Please refer to statements of Mr. Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad:

He deemed anyone who does NOT accept and BELIEVE in prophet hood of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is not a Muslim, cannot be taken as a Muslim, is out of pale of Islam and is a Pukkah Kaffir.

Please don’t gloss over his words.

Non Ahmadi Muslim is a misnomer It’s like saying “a thin fat man” - “a clever foolish man”

Dear** Mr. Popat** I took my time out to answer most of your post – I didn’t answer some parts – very confusing.

Somehow in between the lines you and brother **Kchugtai **have accepted that Ahamdis take those who reject Mirza Ghulam Ahmad are Kaffirs but are constrained by public relations stance to say so.

Thus using Non-Ahmadi Muslims but not meaning it.

Phew! Enough said by from me on this thread.

“And whomsoever Allah wills to guide, He opens his breast to Islam, and whomsoever He wills to send astray, He makes his breast closed and constricted, as if he is climbing up to the sky.” [Al-An’aam, 6:125]