What do Ahmedi's call mainstream muslims?

[Mr.Popat]

Re: What do Ahmedi’s call mainstream muslims?

@Ibn_Sadique

Dear **Mr. Popat **– I sincerely sympathise with the position you are in and admire your passion. You meet all the conditions to be a Muslim, may be a better Muslim than me.

But by following another prophet against what the Blessed Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) had proclaimed, that he is the last and final Prophet and Messenger from Allah Almighty and the Blessed Quran states the same, you have opted yourself out of Ummah of Blessed Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

It is not me or any other person declaring Ahmadis non-muslim/kafir but their own actions.

If Muhammad PBUH proclaimed to be the last prophet the way you’re taking it, then what is your understanding on the coming of Jesus a.s ?

You are saying Muhammad PBUH is the ‘last’ prophet.
You are saying Jesus a.s will come back again
You are saying people who will reject Jesus a.s will be kafirs.
If you say >> Jesus a.s will NOT be coming as a prophet, then you are not in line with what your scholars say
If you say >> Jesus a.s WILL be coming as a ‘prophet’, then you contradict with your own self when you say Muhammad PBUH is the ‘last’ prophet.
You only become kafir if you reject one of the article of faith, one of them is imaan on ‘all the prophets’
If you do say Jesus a.s will NOT be coming as a prophet, then the denier of a non-prophet person CANNOT be called a kafir. We are only told to have imaan on the prophets of Allah, not someone who is NOT a prophet. It is same for someone whether he accepts Jesus or not accept jesus. It should NOT make any difference since he will NOT be coming as a prophet anyway.

Then, theres another question about what you will call a Muslim if he rejects Jesus a.s, in his eyes, you r kafir, and in your eyes he is.

I hope I didn’t confuse you with the above analogy. Hope you read it with calm mind and answer after giving it a thought.

Please for once be sincere and apply the same (I have highlighted it in your quotation) to the statements of Mr. Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad’s stance.

Do you agree with his takfir? Not that we care.

answer has been given ibn sadique, what is the matter with you ??? He cannot be called a Muslim because he reject who we believe to be a prophet of Allah. I told you earlier how a Muslim MUST believe in all prophets of Allah, or else he is denying an article of Islam. He fails to be a Muslim in the eyes of Allah, and his Prophet Muhammad PBUH. You accepted it yourself that rejectors of Jesus a.s will be kafirs. But, if he think he is Muslim, then his imaan is with Allah. We dont point fingers at who is and who is not a Muslim. Therefore, we call kafir of Promised Messiah to be a kafir of Promised Messiah(as) ONLY. Rest, he is free to practice Islam, and label himself as Muslim. We only invite you people to accept the person you have been waiting for yourself.

My stance is very clear as I said before by following another prophet against what the Blessed Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) had proclaimed, that he is the last and final Prophet and Messenger from Allah Almighty and the Blessed Quran states the same, you have opted yourself out of Ummah of Blessed Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). With the evidence from the Blessed Quran and the Noble aHadith Ahmadis are non-muslim/kafir.

Yeah, you see what i’m saying? your belief of Jesus a.s coming is only a mere belief. I don’t think you have ever given it a thought about how you will be called a kafir too IF Jesus a.s comes and IF you accept Him ( which is very unlikely as we see from history, people who have decided they wont believe will never believe ). You know very well how IF you do accept Jesus a.s you too will be a minority, and majority just like now, will be giving fatwas against you. You are only happy to be called a Muslim, but have you ever thought what goes into being a Muslim ?

Your stance is wrong, sorry to say. Muhammad PBUH have given us a glad tiding of a prophet who will be raised among Muslim Ummah, who will be an ummati prophet, whose title will be Ibn e Maryam, who will follow and spread the true teachings of Islam. He will establish a Jamaat and will unite Muslim Ummah under one banner. People following Him will be Muslims, though, not according to people who reject Him. So, you decide.. do you care people calling you kafir or a Muslim after Ibn e Maryam has descended?

@Bao bihari: Thank you. You all are always in our prayers. May Allah open your hearts to accept the true teachings of Islam, the teachings which makes perfect sense, which is not a fairytale. May Allah enable you to see that Islam’s Allah is a living Allah, who speaks even to this day as He used to speak before..who listens even to this day as He listened before..and that not a single one of His attribute is stopped as it has never stopped before. Ameen.