What do Ahmedi's call mainstream muslims?

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: What do Ahmedi’s call mainstream muslims?

@kchughtai

Why there is a need to repeat the same stuff over and over again. Yes, takfir of a muslim does make takfiri a kaafir.

Brother kchughtai Now that you have made a clear statement – apply this to Mr. Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad’s stance. He has made takfir on:

“The article was elaborately entitled A Muslim is one who believes in all the messengers of God'. The title itself is sufficient to show that the article was not meant to prove merely that those who did not accept the Promised Messiah were deniers of the Promised Messiah’. Its object rather was to demonstrate that those who did not believe in the Promised Messiah were not Muslims.” A’inah-i Sadaqat (pp. 135-136)

“Regarding the main subject of my article, I wrote that as we believed the Promised Messiah to be one of the prophets of God, we could not possibly regard his deniers as Muslims.” A’inah-i Sadaqat (pp. 137-138)

“not only are those deemed to be Kafirs who openly style the Promised Messiah as Kafir, and those who although they do not style him thus, decline still to accept his claim, but even those who, in their hearts, believe the Promised Messiah to be true, and do not even deny him with their tongues, but hesitate to enter into his Bai`at, have here been adjudged to be Kafirs.” A’inah-i Sadaqat (pp. 139 -140)

"And lastly, it was argued from a verse of the Holy Quran that such people as had failed to recognise the Promised Messiah as a Rasul even if they called him a righteous person with their tongues, were yet veritable Kafirs. (veritable Kafirs” are “pakkay kafir” in the original Urdu book) A’inah-i Sadaqat (p. 140)

1. `those who did not accept the Promised Messiah were deniers of the Promised Messiah’. Its object rather was to demonstrate that those who did not believe in the Promised Messiah were not Muslims." A’inah-i Sadaqat (pp. 135-136)

2. that as we believed the Promised Messiah to be one of the prophets of God, we could not possibly regard his deniers as Muslims." A’inah-i Sadaqat (pp. 137-138)

3. who openly style the Promised Messiah as Kafir, and those who although they do not style him thus, decline still to accept his claim

4. but even those who, in their hearts, believe the Promised Messiah to be true, and do not even deny him with their tongues, but hesitate to enter into his Bai`at, have here been adjudged to be Kafirs."

5. such people as had failed to recognise the Promised Messiah as a Rasul even if they called him a righteous person with their tongues, were yet veritable Kafirs." A’inah-i Sadaqat (p. 140)

Let us see if you have the guts to do justice to what you believe in.

Please no verbal somersaults or jugglery to dig yourself out of this. Keep in mind you are on public platform.