Re: What do Ahmedi’s call mainstream muslims?
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Pakka Kafir.. bhai.. definition HAMAARI HO GI pakka kaafir ki !!! and how WE define it is how you MUST take it ! you have NO RIGHT to give explanation on what the person we believe wrote. Firstly, he reserves the right to explain himself, secondly, people who follow him!
Brother Mr. Popat You don’t have to give definition when the statements are clear as a daylight! We don’t need your verbal somersaults or jugglery to understand what Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad had said. I’ll give him credit for this that he explained himself well.
I had given his statements on page 2 post 35 – you and your fellow Ahmadis did not deny those statements.
Read it again:
Right Please give your definitions of highlighted words.
(3) the belief that all those so-called Muslims who have not entered into his Bai‘at formally, wherever they may be, are kuffar and outside the pale of Islam, even though they may not have heard the name of the Promised Messiah as.
That these beliefs have my full concurrence, I readily admit. What I deny is the statement that I have been entertaining these views since 1914 or only three or four years before. On the contrary, as I shall presently show, the first and the last of these beliefs were entertained by me even during the lifetime of the Promised Messiah as , while the second belief developed soon after the death of the Promised Messiah as as a result of the teachings I received from Hadrat Khalifatul Masih I ra , and of the various discourses I had, with him on the subject.
Please scroll down to page 56 and 57 on the following link:
http://www.alislam.org/library/books …-the-Split.pdf
A’inah-i Sadaqat - same author book in Urdu
“The article was elaborately entitled A Muslim is one who believes in all the messengers of God'. The title itself is sufficient to show that the article was not meant to prove merely that those who did not accept the Promised Messiah were deniers of the Promised Messiah’. Its object rather was to demonstrate that those who did not believe in the Promised Messiah were not Muslims.” A’inah-i Sadaqat (pp. 135-136)
“Regarding the main subject of my article, I wrote that as we believed the Promised Messiah to be one of the prophets of God, we could not possibly regard his deniers as Muslims.” A’inah-i Sadaqat (pp. 137-138)
“not only are those deemed to be Kafirs who openly style the Promised Messiah as Kafir, and those who although they do not style him thus, decline still to accept his claim, but even those who, in their hearts, believe the Promised Messiah to be true, and do not even deny him with their tongues, but hesitate to enter into his Bai`at, have here been adjudged to be Kafirs.” A’inah-i Sadaqat (pp. 139 -140)
“And lastly, it was argued from a verse of the Holy Quran that such people as had failed to recognise the Promised Messiah as a Rasul even if they called him a righteous person with their tongues, were yet veritable Kafirs.” A’inah-i Sadaqat (p. 140)
veritable Kafirs” are “pakkay kafir” in the original Urdu book
One can read the book in the following link:
https://www.alislam.org/multimedia/u...dio-books.html
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Don’t kid yourself. Yours answers are definitely not in line of Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad rather it is opposite to it.
Leave it the viewers – they can judge it better than you.
LOL !
LOL at you Mr. Popat
That’s what you had asked in your** No. 24** and I had answered in post 25 – the very next post after you.
As usual you don’t read the answers – just churning out your false propaganda.
Post 24
Post 25
Ibn_Sadique:
^ Anyone who will reject **Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum’s **(as) leadership will have committed kufr and will have opted himself out of fold of Islam - thus a Kaffir
What do you say about some charlatan who claims to be Isa (and his name was not Isa) and he was never born to a lady named Maryum? What do you say about those poor souls who fell for his nefarious trap - believing him to be a prophet whereas he never fitted the criteria.
The Blessed Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) had warned his Ummah to be wary of false prophets.
Thawban ibn Kaidad narrated that Muhammad said; “There will be 30 dajjals among my Ummah. Each one will claim that he is a prophet; but I am the last of the Prophets (Seal of the Prophets), and there will be no Prophet after me.” —Related by Ahmad ibn Hanbal
Abu Hurairah narrated Muhammad said; “The Hour will not be established until two big groups fight each other whereupon there will be a great number of casualties on both sides and they will be following one and the same religious doctrine, until about 30 dajjals appear, and each of them will claim that he is Allah’s Apostle…” —Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 88: Afflictions and the End of the World, Hâdith Number 237
Even bible states that Jesus son of Mary has warned that:
For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Messiah, ’ and will deceive many. Matthew 24:5
Now bring on your verbal somersaults or jugglery to dig yourself out of this. Keep in mind you are on public platform.