What are these books?

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Asool Kafi and Jila-ul-Ayoun

Who wrote them? Any information on this?

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Re: What are these books?

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**Asool Kafi* and Jila-ul-Ayoun

Who wrote them? Any information on this?
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LITTLE HUMAN DO YOU WANT MY REPLY.

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Re: Re: What are these books?

:hehe: kiyoun bolo :slight_smile:

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These r both shia books....

ASOOL E KAFI ....is an hadith book ......it is called kafi be cause some shia mujtahid said that it is kafi for momineeen.....will provide the refrence soon....

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*Originally posted by bao bihari: *
These r both shia books....

ASOOL E KAFI ....is an hadith book ......it is called kafi be cause some shia mujtahid said that it is kafi for momineeen.....will provide the refrence soon....
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And who is this shia Mujtahid, a pakistani, iranian? Do majority of shias believe in this book?

Thanks bao :)

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Re: Re: What are these books?

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LITTLE HUMAN DO YOU WANT MY REPLY.
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Rehman1; i am looking at you !

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Ibn Sadique bhai I like to see the reference too :slight_smile:

So still no information on those books? :mad:

:smash: Jaldi batao :clown:

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Thats what some friend had provided me…

it tells us how well shia rate the book…still it contains many hadiths which even question the validty of quran etc…and second…if shia dont believe those hadith why dont the keep printing those false ahdith …

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Here we have Usool al- Kafi that is a collection narrations and traditions attributed to the Shiite Imams, Ahlul Bayt and the Prophet. Al-Kafi is the MOST reliable Shia Book, as the reliable Shia Scholars said and declared . Its author is Thiqat al-Islam Muhamad Ibn Yaqoob AlKulayni (A VERY reliable Shia Scholar, died in 328 H).

Some Shi’ites scholars believe usool Al-Kafi was presented to the legendary Imam Qaem who liked it and said: “It suffices our Shi’ites” (al-Tharee’ah ela Tasaneef al-Shi’a: Agha Buzurg al-Tahraani; vol.17, p.245)

Al-Kafi is a collection of Hadiths attributed to the prophet Muhamad p.b.u.h and The Infallible Imams -according to Shia- and like AhlSunnah, who give much importance to their Hadith book (Saheeh AlBukhari), Shia give the same or maybe even more importance to their Book (Al-Kafi) . Unlike AhlSunnah who call AlBukhari’s Book as (Saheeh AlBukhari), Shia do not call Al-Kafi as (Saheeh Al-Kafi), nevertheless, Shia treat Al-Kafi as it is (Saheeh) and their most reliable scholars declare it as a (Saheeh) .

Ironically we find Mr. Mulla Baqir Majlisi stating in his commentary on al-Kafi, named Mir’at al-'Uqul, that 9,485 out of the 16,121 narrations in al-Kafi are unreliable!

Now here we reach two conclusions, either Imam Qaem made a mistake to authenticate a book, 60% of whose contents would later be discovered to be unreliable or Mr. Mulla Baqir Majlisi (the most reliable and respected Shia Scholars ever existed) did not know what he was talking about.

Any way Here are some of the Shia most reliable Scholars’ sayings about Al-Kafi :

[1] AlHur Al’amily said "The authors of the Four Books of shia (Al-Kafi , AlIstibsaar , AlTahzeeb , Mun La YahDuruHu Alfaqeeh) have testified that the Hadiths of their books are accurate (saheeh) , firm and well conducted from the roots that all shia agreed on , and if you consider those scholars (the authors of the four books) are reliable then you must accept their sayings and their narrations . " [Alwasa’el , volume 20 , page 104]

[2] Sharaf’Deen AbdulHussain Mosawy said: "Al-Kafi, AlIsTibSaar, AlTahzeeb and Mun La YahduRuHu Alfaqeeh are MutawaTirah and agreed on the accuracy of its contents (the Hadiths) , and Al-Kafi is the oldest , greatest , best and the most accurate one of them " . [The book of AlMuraja’aat , Muraj’ah number 110 ] … MutawaTirah = accurate 100% because it was narrated by many narrators .

[3] Muhammad Sadiq AlSaDr said : " Although The Shia are on the unanimity of that The four books (Al-Kafi , AlIsTibSaar , AlTahzeeb and Mun La YahduRuHu Alfaqeeh) are accepted and all the narrations in them are accurate ( Saheeh ), But they did not call them by the name (Sihaah ) like AhlSunnah did." [The Book of shia “Kitab alshia” page 127 ]

[4] AlTabRassy said: “Al-Kafi among the four shia books (AlTahzeeb , Al-Kafi , AlIsTibSar , mun la YahDuruhu Alfaqeeh) is like the sun among the stars , and who looked fairly would not need to notice the position of the men in the chain of hadiths in this Book , and if you looked fairly you would feel satisfied and sure that the hadiths are firm and accurate.” [MusTaDrak AlWasa’el, volume 3 , page 532]

[5] AlKhomeini said: “Do you think it is enough for our religious life to have its laws summed up in Al-Kafi and then placed upon a shelf?” [Al-Hukumah Al-Islamiyyah page 72]

Now, I think each and everyone of us is interested to know what this Book (Al-Kafi) contains, the book that made all those Shia Scholars praise it and recommend it, actually even blamed their followers for not applying more effort of studying and research as AlKhomeini said in his book (Al-Hukumah Al-Islamiyyah page 72) !!.

:salam:

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*Originally posted by little human: *

And who is this shia Mujtahid, a pakistani, iranian? Do majority of shias believe in this book?

Thanks bao :)
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I, as someone coming from a concervative, observant shia family have never come across this book in my house amongst the considerable shia books my mother uses for research. My mother tells me its a book on Islamic law.

Even if, as bao's link says, this book is equivalent to the Saheehs, which is highly doubtful, atleast the person casting doubt at it is also a shia respected cleric. We believe that aside from the prophet and the imams, no book or person is infallible or deserves to be treated as gospel truth.

Manifestly the hadith about whipping Hazrat Ayesha is fabricated, given the mass of ahadith about respecting her, and even in her life, the way Hazrat Ali always treated her with respect, even after jang-e-jamal, where he instructed his sons to escort her back to madina with the utmost respect.

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Bao Bihari and ravage thanks so much for your replies :flower1: I am reading the contents in the site that bao bihari gave and :eek:

Also I have learned that:

Kitab al-Kafi is a hadith collection that consists of three parts:

-Usool al-Kafi
-Furu al-Kafi
-Rawadat al-Kafi

**I N U I T !!! and R E H M A N 1 !!! ** I was expecting answers regarding these books. You can continue quarelling but :smash: find some information on these books as well nahin tou mein :bailan: :bailan:
Especially you Inuit :nahnah:

:flower1:

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The usul of al-Kafi are divided into eight kutub or chapters and most of the kutub are divided into abwab or sections. The eight kutub are.

  1. The Chapter of Reason and Ignorance
  2. The Chapter of the Excellence of Knowledge
  3. Kitab al-tawhid, “The Chapter of Unity”
  4. Kitab al-hujja, “The Chapter of the Proof”.
  5. The Chapter of Faith and Unbelief
  6. Kitab al-du’a’, “The Chapter of Prayer”
  7. Kitab al-fadl al-Qur’an, “The Chapter of
    the Excellence of the Qur’an”
  8. Kitab al-'ishra, “The Chapter of Companionship”

The furu’ of al-kafi are concerned with the elaboration of the details of Islamic law. Islamic law, as is well known, concerns the whole man and his conduct towards God is as much a matter of Islamic law as his conduct towards his fellow men. The furu’ contain many more traditions than the usul and there are 26 kutub.

If you want to learn more about Al-Kafi, you can seach through internet OR visit the following sites.

http://www.al-islam.org/about/educa...oks/hadith.html
http://almahdi.mybravenet.com/issue5/page17.html

www.shiabooks.org

inuit

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^^ thanks for the links :slight_smile: but would like to know in your opinion the contents in this website 123Win | 123Win.sale Link Đăng Ký Mới【Tặng +168K】 are they accurate with regard to Al-kafi or they have been manipulated?

:slight_smile:

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Dear Little Human
How are you. Well, you asked a question about DUA KUMAIL
and than i guess for 10 or 15 days shia-sunni debates were started.
And after that it seems nobody is discussing secterian issues.
And than you came up with a QUESTION about Asool Kafi.
And now again you are asking a QUESTION which will LEAD
to heated debate b/w SHIA and SUNNI.

Why do you like US to have a heated debate.

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*Originally posted by rehman1: *

Dear Little Human
How are you. Well, you asked a question about DUA KUMAIL
and than i guess for 10 or 15 days shia-sunni debates were started.
And after that it seems nobody is discussing secterian issues.
And than you came up with a QUESTION about Asool Kafi.
And now again you are asking a QUESTION which will LEAD
to heated debate b/w SHIA and SUNNI.

Why do you like US to have a heated debate.
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Aslam o Alakum Brother Rehman1;

I agree with you? But we can’t stop people asking questions. Any kind of question comes in anybody’s mind anytime and he can ask his fellows anytime. Islam have powerful BURHAN. Maybe you disagree with me on this point but it is not asking disbelievers to join us and do just a blind faith. They can ask questions and Muslims have to satisfy them. I don’t know what is the mind of the initiator of this thread. Waslam,

inuit

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I am fine thank you :slight_smile: With regards to Dua Kumail I didn’t ask anyone to discuss Dua kumail intially. Very simply I asked where I could find a translation of it in Urdu.

Dua Kumail as I learned had been discussed earlier without debate in this forum. So what is wrong here? :grumpy:

http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=111197&highlight=kumail

http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40031&highlight=kumail

I read about the contents of these books (Al-kafi etc) I saw them in a anti-shia site and i want to clarify about them. What should I do? I came here and note my question Who wrote them? Any information on this? I came here to ask for JUST INFORMATION ON THEM because we have different sects here and I can hear from all regarding these books I DONT’ want to hear one-sided opinion (Note: you asked if I want you to answer my question and I told you “kiyoun bolo” which meant "yes I want to hear from you too :slight_smile: )…I also asked this question in a shia forum to get more information on this.

Did I ask anyone to debate about Dua Kumail?
Did I ask anyone to debate about these books?

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

I simply asked for info on them.

Do you mean to say since I am the intiator of the threads I am responsible for everyone who wants to debate vigorously?

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Greatttttttttttttttttt!! finally you agree with Rehman :wink:

:hula: :hula:

What is powerful Burhan?

Whose the disbeliever here? :blush: (*dhar lagging it’s little human herself)

:smash: You dont’ know what is in the mind of me :teary3:

Dafo ho larki! @_@

People on a side note (especially u Rehman bhai) I think Inuit is a girl :blush:

so stop calling her a brother :blush:

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*Originally posted by little human: *

Greatttttttttttttttttt!! finally you agree with Rehman ;-)

Dafo ho larki!

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Alas! You never read the word “But” in my reply to brother Rehman1. Which means that I agree with him one thing “but” I am not agreed with him on another thing. This is the simplest way I can tell you the meaning of "but" in my statement. Sorry if you mind anything in your mind.

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“But” you did agree with him on ONE thing right? :nahnah: that meant you did agree anyway(with regard to that one thing) :slight_smile:

:slight_smile: I didn’t mind anything :slight_smile:

:hug:

Ps. you still have told me what powerful burhan is? :confused:

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METHOD OF INVESTIGATING AND PROVING:

The Imams of the Ahlul—Bait have defined the methods of scrutinizing and proving the sunna of the Prophet, which we dealt with in the previous pages.

Based on these principles, the jurists of the school of the Ahlul—Bait fixed the “Critical Method” in the scientific research of the Prophet’s sunna. To begin with, they recognize no piece of the sunna to be true and taken for granted. They start from ‘questioning’ the authenticity of an act or a tradition, and then proceed to investigate and examine every hadith and narration, in order to ascertain that it actually was said or done by the Prophet. They minutely deal with all aspects of the hadith or narration under question, and if proved true, would accept it as part of the sunna.

Consequently, they do not regard any book of hadith to be absolutely correct, unless critically evaluated, scrutinized and examined.

The four authoritative books of narratives comprising what had been received from t Ahlul—Bait are as follows

· Al—Kafi’. compiled by Shaikh Muhammad hin Yaqub Kulaini (died 329 AH.).

· Man la Yahdharuh —Faqih’. compiled hy Sheikh Muhammad bin Ali known as ibn Babawayh Saduq (died 381 AH.).

· Al—Istibsar’. compiled by Shaikh Muhammad ibn

Hasan Tusi (died 46() A.H.).

· Al-Tahdhib’ also by Shaikh Tusi.

ln addition to the aboye four. the following books compiled at the heginning of the 2nd millienium of the Hijra, are also considered authentic:

· ‘Wasa’il al—Shi’a’ hy Shaikh Hur Amili.

· ’Bihar al—Anwar’ by Allamah Muhammad Baqir Majlisi.

· Other books of hadith.

Even the four books which form the base of Imami or Ja’fari jurisprudence have been critically evaluated and subjected to, thorough cross examination and explanation by latter—day scholars.

Each and every hadith in these compilation has been researched and traced to its source, with detailed discussions on the chain of transmitters and their credentials. There are instances of rejection of certain traditions which found their way into these books, because of weak source of transmitters or by way of negligent scribes writing and adverse circumstances.

Imami scholars have applied the same method of objective criticism to the famous sunni collections such as ‘Sahih Bukhari’, ‘Sahih Mushim’, ‘Sunan Abi Dawud’, ‘Sunan Nasa’i’, ‘Sunan ibn Maja’, ‘Kanz al—Ummal’, and other books of hadith and narratives, weighting them in the scientific and practical balance, and rejecting or accepting the traditions on the basis of the Holy Qur’an and the pure unadulterated sunna of the Prophet.

The usual method followed to ascertain the validity of a hadith is based on:

· Examining the ‘Supporting proof : that is the chain of narrators. The scholars have to take great pains in investigating the ‘supporters’ of a tradition, to make sure of the credibility of the narrators, referring to special Rijal (Who—is— who) books which give descriptions of the narrators’ personalities, testify their truthfulness or cast doubt on them. They are never prompted by the narrators’ religious inclinations. If a narrator proved to be “Reliable and Truthful”, his narration would be accepted.

· Examining the text: they examine the context of a text and its meaning to see that it neither contradicts the Book of Allah, and the authorized sunna, nor the established mode of a positive rational fact. If the ‘support’ and the ‘text’ proved to be correct, the scholars accept the narration. Otherwise, they would reject it; not withstanding the status of its narrator.

Thus, the method of the scholars of the school of Ahlul-Bait is:

  1. Not to view a book of hadith as completely correct or as completely false.

  2. To accept a narration only because of its reliability and truthfulness, disregarding the sect or the group to which the narrator belonged.

Whoever refers to the books of the principles of jurisprudence, of Rijal and inductive jurisprudence, will easily recognize this fact.

Thus way this scientific and critical method helps protect the originality and purity of religion, and in turn promotes Muslim solidarity by avoiding fanaticism, ignorance and bigotry. Actually, there is no room for fanaticism and bigotry in the scientific and critical method of research, which has to he objectively and honestly conducted.

(taken from Ahlul Bait, The Prophet’s Household: Their Status, manners and course, by Al Balagh Foundation.. It is a brief guide to our beliefs. It is easy and short enough to those who may not know Shia views and want to know what we actaully think. It is for those who do not have the time or the inclination to do scientific research on the actual works of Shia Scholars)

Wasalaam

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inuit

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My dear Inuit that was a good read thanks but my questions still seem to be unanswered by you.

I told you before that I would like to know in your opinion the contents in this website 123Win | 123Win.sale Link Đăng Ký Mới【Tặng +168K】 are they accurate with regard to Al-kafi or they have been manipulated?

And What is powerful Burhan :slight_smile:

:clown: