Forgive me, I just realised that this is the second half of the split discussion. Proceed...
discussion was gone astray in the middle …being discusing bikhari instead of kafi…but now we r on track…happy posting…
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Forgive me, I just realised that this is the second half of the split discussion. Proceed...
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Forgiven :D
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Jalal ul Oyun is a hadith book by Allama Jalaluddin Suyuti.
Ahle Tasannu have many hadith books, but six of them are give more importance. They are called Sahah Satta.
1. Sahih Bukhari
2. Sahih Muslim
3. Sunan Tirmizi
4. Sunan Nisa'i
5. Sunan Ibn Maja
6. Masnad Imam Ahmed bin Hambal (? I think.)
Ahle Tashayyu also have many hadith books, Jalaul Ayun being one of them. But the more authentic books are four.
1. al Kafi - by Shaykh Kulayni
2. Man laa Yahdhuruhul Faqih - by Shaykh Sadooq
3. al Istibsaar - by Syed Tusi
4. al Tahzeeb - by Syed Tusi
Although many Ahle Sunnat claim Sahah Satta, especially Sahih Bukhari, to be almost 100% error-free; shia scholars never made such a claim.
Shia scholars merely say that the chances of finding strong ahadeeth are more in these four books than others.
The proof of authenticity of a hadith is not that in which book it is quoted (it does, however, supports the claim). Rather the authenticity of a given hadith is determined by range of standards set by muhadditheen. These standards are acceptable to both Shias and Sunnis.
Some of these standards are:
1. Continuity of the chain (Isnad) of transmitters. The chain of transmitters had to be unbroken in order for a hadith to be acceptable.
2. The integrity of the transmitters. The integrity of transmitters was established in terms of their outward observance of Islam.
3. Soundness of memory of the transmitters. It had to be verified through the biographical sciences of Hadith that each transmitter had a sound memory.
4. Conformity of the hadith with other hadith. It was important that the hadith conform with similar hadiths on the same topic.
etc.
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Very information 1010 thanks a lot for sharing here :)
little human:
Thanks for liking it, man. :)
bao bihari:
No. Mishkaat is not included in Sahah Satta. Sahah Satta books are six in number, not seven. The word 'satta' means 'six' in Arabic. 'Seven' is 'sabaa' in Arabic.
I read somewhere that sometimes Malikis consider 'Muwatta' by Imam Malik to be included in Sahih books.
Regarding your question, whenever the Imams quoted a hadith from the Prophet, they quoted it from their forefathers, which reaches Hazrat Ali. So their chain of narration is also authentic.
inuit:
You are not making any spelling mistake. Actually, I saw Suyuti quoted at a shia website, and so I thought he was shia. But on the second thought, I think you are right.
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**little human*:
Thanks for liking it, man. :)
bao bihari:
No. Mishkaat is not included in Sahah Satta. Sahah Satta books are six in number, not seven. The word 'satta' means 'six' in Arabic. 'Seven' is 'sabaa' in Arabic.
I read somewhere that sometimes Malikis consider 'Muwatta' by Imam Malik to be included in Sahih books.
Regarding your question, whenever the Imams quoted a hadith from the Prophet, they quoted it from their forefathers, which reaches Hazrat Ali. So their chain of narration is also authentic.
inuit:
You are not making any spelling mistake. Actually, I saw Suyuti quoted at a shia website, and so I thought he was shia. But on the second thought, I think you are right.
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ok...i thought otherwise....six mean khumsa and seven mean sattah......
"Fi sittati ayam in sum us tawa" build in seven days....?
as far as narrators ink is considerd ..kindly provide me one such narration from say imam baqir....or ..imam hasan askari....
also plz elaborate why these narrators practised sunni madhab in thier daily life.....is'nt this hypocrisy..........pretending to be sunni whereas infact(as they say ) shia...
and lastly.....allama sayuti is a sunni aalim who partly wrote tafseer JALALAIN .............
just found out…
Jala ul eyoon
is written by Mulla baqir majlisi
thanks bao 
How did you find this out? The site I see says that it is written by Jalaluddin Suyuti.
Here is the link: http://www.al-islam.org/kaaba14/15.htm
It says: “Allama Jalaluddin Suyuti quotes in his book Jalalul- Oyun …”
It is written in Tazkiratul aaimaa…by MUlla Baqar
I would like to know if there's any hadith that ALL sects agree upon as being accurate? :0)
im guessing that would the hadith about there being a bunch of sects and only one of them going to Heaven on judgement day..
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I would like to know if there's any hadith that ALL sects agree upon as being accurate? :0)
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Allama Phulvari from Idara-e-Sqafat-e-Islami wrote a book, in which he wrote collection of Hadeeth from both Shias and Sunnies with references. (side by side in 2 columns). It is an excellent work.
Idara-e-Sqafat-e-Islami --- what's that?
So this book you mention, every sect agrees on that? How about Allama Phulvari himself does he associate himself with any sect?
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Idara-e-Sqafat-e-Islami --- what's that?
So this book you mention, every sect agrees on that? How about Allama Phulvari himself does he associate himself with any sect?
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Idara-e-Sqafat-e-Islami ----> Organization in Pakistan
Allama Phulvari-----> Probably Ahle Sunnah
inuit
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Idara-e-Sqafat-e-Islami --- what's that?
So this book you mention, every sect agrees on that? How about Allama Phulvari himself does he associate himself with any sect?
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never heared of this allama......but may be he has done some commendable thing by compiling the ahdith both sects agree on.........i do think u'll find many common ahadith .......
interesting thanks inuit any online copy of this book?