In a previous thread, i came across a member stating that
**>**Only Muslims would go to heaven. No matter how nice, poise and noble a non-muslim is, he/she is going to hell for ever after death.<
The member also went ahead and claimed the following:
**>**Mother Thresa is burning in the Hell fire despite of her all good deads she had done in her life, you know why becasue she was a non-believer kafir.<
Does Islam say non believers will not be rewarded with a place in heaven in spite of their good deeds?
Mr Queer
Here are a few of the quotes from the Quran, word of Almighty Allah, to answer your questions.
*"The truth is from your Lord": Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it): for the wrong-doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames), like the walls and roof of a tent, will hem them in: if they
implore relief they will be granted water like melted brass, that will scald their faces, how dreadful the drink! How
uncomfortable a couch to recline on!(18:29)
As to those who believe and work righteousness, verily We shall not suffer to perish the reward of any who do a (single) righteous deed.(18:30)
Those who reject God and hinder (men) from the Path of God,- their deeds will God render astray
(from their mark)(47-1).
And (as for) those who disbelieve, for them is destruction and He has made their deeds ineffective.(47:8)
That is because they hated what Allah revealed, so He rendered their deeds null.(47:9)*
The above ayaats are self explanatory.
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Who will go to heaven and who will not is up to Allah and Allah alone. Muslims do not have a monopoly on heaven, righteous non-Muslims also are permitted in heaven (with some caveats attached):
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Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve. (2:62)
Lo! those who believe, and those who are Jews, and Sabaeans, and Christians - Whosoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve. (5:69)
Lo! those who believe (this revelation), and those who are Jews, and the Sabaeans and the Christians and the Magians and the idolaters - Lo! Allah will decide between them on the Day of Resurrection. Lo! Allah is Witness over all things. (22:17)
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We can't claim to know who will and who will not gain entrance into heaven. Allah is the ultimate Judge and He alone can make that decision.
You are absolutely right that Allah is the judge and I am not saying that I know who will go where but examine these ayaats and the beleif of christians in trinity, and son of God in general.
*They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said:O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers.(5:72.32)
We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve because they ascribe unto Allah partners, for which no warrant hath been revealed. Their habitation is the Fire, and hapless the abode of the wrong-doers.(3:151.17)
Lo! Allah forgiveth not that a partner should be ascribed unto Him. He forgiveth (all) save that to whom He will. Whoso ascribeth partners to Allah, he hath indeed invented a tremendous sin.(4:48.24)
Lo! Allah pardoneth not that partners should be ascribed unto Him. He pardoneth all save that to whom He will. Whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah hath wandered far astray.(4:116.6)
Or lest ye should say: (It is) only (that) our fathers ascribed partners to Allah of old and we were(their) seed after them. Wilt Thou destroy us on account of that which those who follow falsehood did ?(7:173.13)*
My dear Iqadeer,
Previously, we had a discussion on "Who is a believer and Who is entitled to Heaven?" At that time - Abdulla, Asif, Achtung and yourself had proclaimed only Sunni muslims as true believer and that only Sunni muslims would go to heaven.
In fundamentalist Islam one cannot pick & choose or shift position on core issues - that is considered a heresy; you are either in it or not!
The attached is the position of Fundamentalist Islam re: "Believers" and "Paradise"; I strongly suggest, followers of Fundamentalist Islam stick by it, because, we do not want you missing out on your share of the hoars(virgin females in heaven).
"if a person dies or is killed and his believes were that of kafir, he is a jahannami as per Quran".
Note: A kafir is everyone who is non-sunni muslim.
"If you think Shias, Qadiani, Hindu, Christian, Jews, etc. all will go to Paradise, then I believe you are wrong. Because Quran clearly tells us the condition for going to Paradise. And it clearly says one who rejects Quran is a disbeliever and will be the fuel of hell. It is surprising to see your comments as I already gave some ayats in support of what i said, were they difficult to understand??"
Asif was truly disturbed when it was brought up during discussion that he may have to share 'his paradise' with non-sunnis; his remark was:
"Then what is the use of my following all the injunctions of Quran & Sunnah".
In fundamentalist Islam one cannot pick & choose or shift position on core issues - that is considered a heresy; you are either in it or not!........
All I have done is merely quoted the Quran and not my personal opinion. I think the Quranic implication regarding mushriks is crystal clear and requires no further elucidation. If you have a problem with accepting the words of Allah as interpreted by religious authorities then I can only pray for your guidance.
On a personal note, I regard people who are free-thinkers as ones who have not yet learned how to submit their will before Allah. They worship their own philosophy and arrogantly assume the role of a religious scholar without having the least amount of knowledge.
As I have said before that if observance of Islamic rituals and practices such as growing beard, praying salaat, enforcing hijaab on one's womenfolk and others make one a fundamentalist then I gladly accept the title.
Suppose i belong to a wild tribe of nigeria. i pray the sun and the moon, and rocks and such other things. niether am i mentally capable enough to realize this is wrong, nor has anybody brought to me, a parallel beleif system.
This is a slightly deceptive reply you have given. The example you mentioned is of someone who is unaware of Islam and the truth. You know fine well that someone who is not aware of the truth is not held accountable. That is why I specifically referred to "someone who knowingly rejects islam" as not deserving Heaven.
Your own Ghulam Mirza subscribes to the same view so why the duplicitous reply?
I do agree with Achtung though, that at the end of the day it is in the hands O Allah and Allah is most merciful. We can only judge by how Allah tells us to judge and in the end He is All-Knowing and Al-Haq. Not us.
Iqadeer,
Thank you for agreeing to the position of Fundamentalist Islam on "Believers and Paradise" as outlined by my post.
Another thing, A Fundamentalist muslim is one that practises a distorted, primitive and extremist interpretations of Islam.
For example: your position re: believers & paradise; Jehad against non-believers; death for apostates; discrimination and abuses against women & minorities; etc.etc. are examples of madness on part of your Fundamentalist Islam.
Scriptures that preaches taking of one's life cannot be "word of God"; it is a terrorist movement.
how exactly can you know what Mirza ghulam ahmed, peace be upon him, says, when you have not read any of his books. all you have read is tiny bits of self-made or out-of-context quotations from anti-ahmediyya websites.
And say not, that thou hast no knowledge of; the hearing, the sight, the heart - all of those shall be questioned of.
( the koran, chapter 17, sons of israel, verse 37 )
dear Jewels
The scenario that you have painted is rare however I agree with Mr. Extreme's reply that rejection of truth after full knowledge must be the basis of punishment.
And Allah knows best.
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Deer Queer, there will be a special section in hell reserved for people like you and me. We will make it home. If the Janat (heaven)is run and managed by mullas, they will destroy that too. Trust me, we will be better off in Hell, as there will be a greater freedom of choice and speech, and freedom of artistic expression. See you in Hell.