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I had no idea that Joseph, well ok, so it is actually Hazrat Yousaf (Alaih salam), was buried in Palestine. I would have thought that he being the ruler of Egypt and all that would be burried in Egypt. But, well, I don’t really know. Reading this thread, Mursalin, also raised this point, which got buried somewhere in the royal rumble
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Cheers!
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Originally posted by NYAhmadi:
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“I would like to know, what is the punishment for desecration of Graves for Muslims from a Quranic standpoint. Would the people who committed this heinous and grave act go to Heaven or Hell?” **
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NYAhmedi, I can find this out very easily for you. You sound and act like a very patient person. Can I ask of you to wait until I get the answer to the above question? It may take some time.
They shoot partypoopers, don't they?
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I think its shameful. Desecration of ANY sacred religious shrines is obviously very wrong and hurts many people. It solves no conflicts and just aggravates an already controversial situation.
It is very abhorent to show any kind of disrespect towards grave, be those of Muslim of non Muslim.
Re the so called Joseph's tomb. If you people did not read the article which appeared in Chicago Tribune, authored by Hugh Dellois on October 7, I will qoute here from this:
"In the past , the tomb was more of a Muslim shrine and picnic spot for local residents. But in 1980, it was turned into a yeshiva by adherents to the radical Jewish Kach movement, who lived in a nearby settlement and whose leader, Eli Rosenfeld, is known for describing assassinated PM Yitzhak Rabin as a traitor to Israel, The yeshiva continued to exit after 1994 when the Israelis returned Nablus to Palestinian control. But after rioting in 1996, when six Israeli soldiers and a Palestinain were killed at the tomb, the army set in soldiers to guard the radicals."
So friends this is all Joseph's tomb is. It was a hideout for radical Jews who turned Islamic shrine for their own perpetual purposes. But so much atrocities are being committed everyday by Israil, but never a word is heard by NYA, but one false tomb ransaked and here we have all the hue and cry!!
If I say more my post may be deleted. Therefore, I stay quite.
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Originally posted by Baykhatr:
**It is very abhorent to show any kind of disrespect towards grave, be those of Muslim of non Muslim.
Re the so called Joseph's tomb. If you people did not read the article which appeared in Chicago Tribune, authored by Hugh Dellois on October 7, I will qoute here from this:
"In the past , the tomb was more of a Muslim shrine and picnic spot for local residents. But in 1980, it was turned into a yeshiva by adherents to the radical Jewish Kach movement, who lived in a nearby settlement and whose leader, Eli Rosenfeld, is known for describing assassinated PM Yitzhak Rabin as a traitor to Israel, The yeshiva continued to exit after 1994 when the Israelis returned Nablus to Palestinian control. But after rioting in 1996, when six Israeli soldiers and a Palestinain were killed at the tomb, the army set in soldiers to guard the radicals."
So friends this is all Joseph's tomb is. It was a hideout for radical Jews who turned Islamic shrine for their own perpetual purposes. But so much atrocities are being committed everyday by Israil, but never a word is heard by NYA, but one false tomb ransaked and here we have all the hue and cry!!
If I say more my post may be deleted. Therefore, I stay quite.
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I agree with you,B,i understand the secular point of view from distant but i would request NY Ahmed to read the Hamas bulletin in there defence. I have protested with inter faith alliance any desecration of tombs & temples ,but it looks like there is more to the story than politician want us to know. Afterall,we do have to see what israelis have done between19 47 & 2000 to make a case for themselves. Hamas is presemnt at the scene & we owe it to them to atleast hear there side of the story.
In the related theme ,i have the genuine versions of the story of
incident at St.Joseph tomb,which non muslims are blaming the palestenian
for desecrecating .There are two views on that,we may look at it from
distant secular society point of view as expressed by muslim secular
interfaith coalition point of view or from the local ppl. who are
resolved to live in there own land in there own country by rules & laws
of there own national political & religous interest---HAMAS
Bismillah Walhamdulillah Was Salaatu Was Salaam 'ala Rasulillah
Text of Hamas statement dated 7th October 2000 as published that day by
Hamas web site
In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate.
The blessed Al-Aqsa intifadah.
Statement No 7 to our people.
Our martyrs' blood raises the Palestinian flag over the Holy Dome of the
Rock.
Our mujahid Palestinian people:
This is an unprecedented day of heroism, sacrifice, martyrdom, and
bravery.
This day is yours, the day of anger on which you have proved your
ability to
be a custodian and guard of Al-Aqsa Mosque. You have raised the flag of
Palestine over the Dome of the Rock by offering your blood, and you are
confronting, with bare chests, criminal Baraq, who kills our people and
insists on Judaizing Jerusalem and seizing Al-Aqsa Mosque.
You are not alone, our people, in the battle over Jerusalem and Al-Aqsa
Mosque. The entire nation stands beside you and yearns for the day of
jihad
to liberate Palestine and save Al-Aqsa Mosque. Look! The nation is
revealing
its genuine face through these surging marches in all the Arab and
Islamic
capitals and by Arab communities abroad.
Our mujahid people: Look! The Al-Aqsa Mosque is uniting our people and
nation, the intifadah and resistance are bringing us close together, and
all
the humiliating allegations of peace with the occupying enemy are
falling
down. Our people have stressed that there is no room for retreat, and we
warn against attempts to ignore the Al-Aqsa intifadah, to quell it, or
to
breathe new life into the dead peace process. This criminal enemy will
only
respond to the logic of force and resistance, and any attempt to make
bargains over the blood of our martyrs will only lead to further Zionist
arrogance, the loss of rights, the Judaization of Jerusalem, and the
destruction of Al-Aqsa Mosque by the Zionist Jews.
Our Palestinian people, our Arab and Islamic nations: On the 10th day of
the
Al-Aqsa intifadah, we, in Hamas movement, stress the following:
First: On the Palestinian level:
We call on our mujahid masses to escalate the Al-Aqsa intifadah and
confront
the enemy soldiers and herds of settlers. We also call for breaking the
siege on Al-Aqsa Mosque by performing prayers in it, particularly by our
people in Jerusalem and in the Palestinian areas occupied in 1948.
On this Palestinian day of anger, we salute our people for responding to
the
Al-Aqsa Mosque's call by staging massive demonstrations after Friday
prayers
in Palestinian mosques, confronting enemy soldiers, offering more than
11
martyrs, and suffering wounds by hundreds of Palestinians. We also
salute
the mujahid Shamlakh family, which offered its second martyr during the
Al-Aqsa intifadah.
We highly value the initiative made by our people's masses, which have
rushed to Palestine's hospitals to donate blood for their injured
brothers.
We urge the Palestinian [National] Authority to release all the
political
prisoners and mujahidin in its prisons so that every one of them can
play
his role in this intifadah by protecting our people and fighting the
enemy.
Our people have the right to ask in whose interest these free people and
muhajahin remain in prison.
We call on the authority and its security organs to stop security
cooperation, as well as all forms of meetings, with the Zionist enemy.
Second: On the Arab and Islamic level:
The captured Al-Aqsa, our mujahid people, and their martyrs warmly
greet
our Arab and Islamic people's righteous martyrs for their massive
marches
and supportive calls from Egyptian, Jordanian, Syrian, Lebanese, Saudi,
Yemeni, Iraqi, Qatari, Emiri, Omani, Kuwaiti, Sudanese, Iranian,
Moroccan,
Algerian, Bahraini, Mauritanian, Pakistani, Malaysian, and Indonesia
mosques. We also greet the Arab and Islamic communities, as well as all
free
people in European countries, the United States, and Russia.
We call for continued support for and solidarity with our people. We
also
urge protests against Zionist massacres in the Arab and Islamic
capitals.
We urge the anticipated Arab summit to be a summit for Al-Aqsa,
jihad,
resistance, and building a real Arab strategy to repulse the occupiers
and
save Al-Aqsa Mosque, Jerusalem, and Palestine from them, rather than
issuing
statements of condemnation and giving new chances for the humiliating
peace
process.
We call on the nation's leaders to back our people's steadfastness
and
our mujahidin, open the door of jihad to liberate Palestine, and allow
the
angry masses to express their support for and solidarity with our
people,
not to repress these masses. We also denounce the crime of the killing
of
one of the sons of our people in Jordan as a result of violence and
repression against marchers.
Third: On activities:
Let the coming days be days of confrontation with enemy soldiers and
herds
of settlers. We urge developing the means and tools of the intifadah;
using
all means of popular resistance, such as stones, Molotov cocktails, and
knives; pouring oil on streets used by enemy vehicles; and causing as
many
losses as possible in enemy ranks.
We call on the youths and cubs of the Al-Aqsa intifadah to launch a
campaign
of writing slogans on walls condemning the Zionist massacres and the
desecration of Jerusalem and Al-Aqsa Mosque. We also call for halting
negotiations immediately and continuing jihad and resistance. And we
salute
the Arab and Islamic masses, which have stood by our people.
Let Thursday 12th October be a day of collective fasting for God by all
of
our people in solidarity with the families of the martyred and injured.
Let Friday 13th October be a distinguished day of escalation and let
marches
be staged from mosques after the Friday prayer to stress the Islamic and
Arabic character of Jerusalem, as well as our right in Al-Aqsa and its
walls
and yards.
We call for organizing visits to the martyrs' families, expressing
solidarity with them, and meeting their needs.
Allahu Akbar and victory to our mujahid people.
[Signed] The Islamic Resistance Movement, Hamas, Palestine
[Dated] Saturday, 9th Rajab 1412 AH, corresponding to 7th October 2000
Azad Munnay, itna lamba paste karr diya, aur nikla kiya? I was hoping for some words on Joseph’s tomb, but, nothing there.