I remember seeing a programme on the art that the taliban destroyed in afghanistan, a lot of it was greek and really lovely .
In fact the stuff that the taliban destroyed was miles better than anything we have in the uk .
so at one time in afganistan there was a culture that loved looking at the human form and beauty.
and it changed and there is no reason given time that it wont change back again.
and the same thing applys to pakistan
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and no I dont like the present culture of pakistan ,but I do like most of the pakistani people Ive met and cultures can change . **
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.. so u will like those Pakistanis more when they will change from their culture.. or may become more bare? beauty of pakistani peopel is due to their originality...loook how a Pakistani girl with dyed blonde girl looks! I am still confused why u like Pakistan people..
jonny2mad, I hope you're not comparing Pakistani dress code with Talibanish rules!
Pakistani dress code only emphasizes being clothes decently - even Hijabs aren't mandatory in Pakland (thank God).
The Talibaan destroyed the art, not because of naked bodies on display, but because it was their sign of opposition to the West. It was more of an anti-culture and anti-western economics move rather than anti-nonmuslim move.
And in Pakistan, art is indeed treasured; we have many really cool artists in Pakistan and they're not given the treatment that the Talibaan gave to the Buddhist statues!
so please, get any thoughts of Pakistan being like Talibaan leadership out of your mind. Pakland is mostly filled with moderate muslims, although some extremists do plague us. I wish THEY had just stayed in India.
my nephew came to see me last night with his hair dyed a colour red that has never occured in nature anywhere on earth.
so if people want to dye theyre hair blond or orange or any colour they want what does it matter ,in fact it makes the day more interesting .
I hate the whole idea of dress standards ,and dress standards that are backed up by a religion really suck .
and from what I see, what the taliban did wasnt because of anti western feeling it was because they thought that drawings of living things were immoral and unislamic.
I hate the dress standards that exist in my own country and that people are still arrested for walking around naked .
what harm are naked people doing ,we are all naked under our clothes ,and wearing clothes all the time cuts us of from the fact that we are all human.
The point is, if these people - which includes boys as well as girls - are becoming more westernised, nobody's holding a gun to their heads, they are doing it out of choice. Just like those who wear hijabs or shalwar kameez are (I assume).
This is getting blown out of proportion in my view. Pakistan is still pretty conservative - so is India for that matter.
Johnny2mad,
I suggest you stop wasting time on this forum and go skinny-dipping in a nice cold lake.
whether I go skinny dipping in a lake or not wont effect whether a country can keep a rigid dress standard in the modern world .
and without the use of violence and cuting the population of a country off from any alternative view like the taliban did, I dont think its possible to have a dress standard in a country long term .
Is the 'westernization' of a nation judged solely by the change in the attire of their womenfolk?
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**Is the 'westernization' of a nation judged solely by the change in the attire of their womenfolk?
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If that was the barometer. You would be the most western out of all PA.
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** who was speaking of jeans? challo atleast W is now the second dumbest president on this planet**
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Wait!
Ain't jeans comes in a Western Culture dress?
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** who was speaking of jeans? challo atleast W is now the second dumbest president on this planet**
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When a girl wears a jean. Is she adopting Westernization?...I think so!!
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Jonny2mad,
My point is about the change of dress standard in Pakistan. People think the West are the example to follow so they follow their leads and think their own culture is backward. Women for example are more likely to wear jeans than a hijab and even looking at traditional pakistani wear, the kameeze started out fully sleeved and is getting smaller and smaller and more revealing.
Pakistani's feel that the west are the example to follow and that traditional values are outdated.
And it's easy to say that walking around naked or semi naked is ok and doesn't hurt anyone but it a detriment to society and can lead to a variety of social problems, the first question a woman is asked when she is raped is what you were wearing as an example.
But in full my point was about Pakistanis feeling they are superior if they are westernised, if they speak good english, wear western clothes.
I just feel many people are fake if that is their attitude because they prefer to follow a culture which is the main cause of social problems in favour of a more Islamic culture.
Sheikh 
Remember its the 15 -24 yrs old who are doing this …This is the age of rebellion,confusion ,pushing the edge of the envelope ,experimentation,experiencing & learning by mistakes …
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Have you found any middle aged men or women do that …I BET NOT :nahnah:
I have seen my cousins ,nephews & nieces go through so called “westernisation” phase but revert back to the rest of us after marriage or graduation or getting a job which ever occurs first & brings gravity in there thinking when these childish rebellion is seen no more than rudeness of young TEMPORARY
I think Islamic culture 1500 yrs old & Pakistan 54 yrs old has more stability Strength & endurence to with stand such rude defience by so few understandably immature & we have many precedence of such fashion models turning Mommy & responsible member of Islam & Pakistani Culture
Dont raise false ALARM for THIS SHALL ALSO PASS 
IT DOES ALWAYS ,my friend remember 
1500 hundred years is not that long in world history terms ,and people have believed in religions for far longer periods of time and they have totally died out .
you dont get that meny sungod worshipers ,or people who believe in venus or apollo or odin anymore .
and for 1500 hundred years you have not had the mass media .
and for the poster before where is your proof that walking around naked, or semi naked is a detriment to society, or that it can lead to any social problems.