Weary Taliban call it quits

So it appears as if the Talibans are finally calling it quits. This article also mentions Pakistan and how they managed to NOT interfere with Afghan elections… Overall interesting article.

KANDAHAR PROVINCE AND KABUL, AFGHANISTAN – Abdul Rahman Akhund has been battling US and Afghan government troops for three long, hard years. He misses raising his kids among the quiet pomegranate orchards he used to tend at home.
With another frigid winter setting in, and a new US offensive being launched this week, this weary Taliban fighter says he’s ready to come in from the cold.

“If the government will let us peacefully return to our villages and our children, we will come,” he says. “We are tired living on the run in these snowy mountains.”

His fellow tribesman, Sarwar Akhund, goes one step further: Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar and terror kingpin Osama bin Laden, he charges, tricked followers like him into believing they were fighting a holy war against infidels, “when really they just wanted to consolidate their own seats of power.” If allowed back into society, he pledges to “do whatever I can” to help kill or capture the fugitive leaders.

The two soldiers expressed views that intelligence circles across southern Afghanistan have been hearing for months. Many officials, military strategists, and diplomats here are increasingly optimistic that the Taliban are largely a spent force, made up in great parts by disillusioned, worn out foot soldiers like the Akhund tribesmen.

That’s why President Hamid Karzai plans a general amnesty for Taliban rank and file as one of his first major initiatives since winning national elections in October and being inaugurated last week.

Mr. Karzai and his American backers hope the move will not only bring peace to great swaths of Afghanistan, but may even lead to the seizure of the high-value terror targets US troops are hunting across the country’s south and east.

Outreach to ‘moderates’

Senior Afghan officials have been quietly preparing the groundwork for months, meeting with representatives of what they consider the “moderate” Taliban, some of whom may even be allowed to run in parliamentary elections planned for the coming spring.

“People associated with the former Communist regime are back. So are former mujahideen,” says Jawed Ludin, a spokesman at the presidential palace. “Therefore, nothing should really stop the Taliban rank and file from taking part in the national life of the country.”

Karzai is also preparing a list of names - said to number between 150 and 200 top and mid-level Taliban leaders and hardened criminals - who will not be accepted under the general pardon.

“Those folks won’t be let back in,” says Col. Dave Lamm, the chief of staff for the Combined Forces Afghanistan. “We will hunt them down and bring them to justice, or we will kill them.”

That group would include men like Maulvi Haider, a battle-hardened Taliban commander who agreed to a rare interview for this story along a dusty mountaintop corridor, watched from above by turbaned snipers.

“Amir Ul Momineen Mullah Omar) is our supreme leader and we will fight for him until the last drop of our blood is shed,” he growls, his eyes as hard as the rugged peaks that hide him. “Hamid Karzai is a puppet … of the Americans and he will do whatever they say just to please them.”

According to Commander Haider, the Taliban remain strong and united in their holy war against the “Jews and infidels.”

“We are not ready for talks with NATO forces or the Americans,” he says. “We want a pure Islamic system in Afghanistan and we will fight for it.”

But to hear Mr. Rahman and Mr. Sarwar tell it, the war is less about ideology and religion than it is a battle between strongmen over control of land and trading routes.

Conscripted by the Taliban, they say they lost their orchards when warlords loyal to the Karzai government moved in. They faced going to jail when the new regime took power or staying on the run with the Taliban.

They say they are heartened by efforts to release Taliban prisoners deemed safe to society and trust that Karzai, also an ethnic Pashtun, is sincere.

But members of the mainly Tajik Northern Alliance, which Karzai roundly defeated in the elections, have voiced outrage. They argue that most moderate Taliban defected when the hard-line regime fell in late 2001, and point out that several former detainees have returned to fight with the Taliban since winning release in the amnesty’s early stages.

Even some members of Karzai’s government argue there should be an independent reconciliation panel, rather than the handful of mainly Pashtun security officials who currently determine who goes free. “I am not opposed to the plan in principle, but the way this is being done is worrisome,” says a senior Afghan official who quietly disagrees with the current program. “Why do you think the Northern Alliance is refusing to disarm?”

Most critics see the silent hand of Pakistan, which long supported the Taliban regime and wants to see friendly faces in the new Afghan parliamentary government.

They say the fact that the Taliban pulled off no major attacks during the elections is more a sign that Pakistan “can turn the tap on and off at will,” as one official says, than an indication, as suggested by amnesty supporters, that the Taliban is on its last legs.

But one Western diplomat says the amnesty program hinges largely on a promise by Pakistan to turn over hard-core Taliban fugitives if some moderates are allowed to go free, perhaps even to run for parliament. Many senior Taliban are believed to live in the western Pakistani city of Quetta and the tribal regions around it.

A risky olive branch

Whatever the outcome, many believe offering the Taliban an olive branch is a risk for Afghanistan’s first-ever elected leader, one that could either inflame the tense ethnic divide between Tajiks and Pashtuns or draw thousands of low-level fighters out from the war on terror.

“If Karzai announces an amnesty, he will be very successful, and if he doesn’t, we will carry on what we are doing now,” says Sarwar, his black Taliban turban flapping in the wind. “Then it will be very difficult for him to rule this country.”

Re: Weary Taliban call it quits

Thanks for posting this article. This should be eye opener for the Pakistanis. However it may not change the ranting of UK aloo store residents.

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....Sarwar Akhund... : Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar and terror kingpin Osama bin Laden, .... just wanted to consolidate their own seats of power." ....
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I wish Pakistani Mullahtic idiotics and their followers on this board learn from Sarwar. He knows, as he has been there.

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.... If allowed back into society, he pledges to "do whatever I can" to help kill or capture the fugitive leaders [blind-Omar, and beardo Osama].

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Pakistani Talibobs don't even appreciate what they got. Learn from this militants O! blind followers of Arrabobs. Pakistan is the best place in the world to live. Value it more than your own life and make it grow economically.

Antiobl

If they had eaten their vitamins and said their prayers, they wouldn't be so weary, to call it a day.

On a more serious note, you don't have to be Einstein to work out that superior fire power, superior currency, hot meals, decent walking boots, fresh bottled mineral water, 13.5 tog blankets, feathered jackets, sell out grasses and bribery were going to have their toll on some of the Taliban. It was only a matter of time before some of the weaker lot were due to knock it on the head. However, if the Taliban were like the Americans, they would call it a day and then backstab the Government after accepting their deal once they were strong enough to re-emerge. I suggest you research into why and how the Taliban were set up in the first place, and exactly what does the name Taliban stand for.

As far as Pakistan is concerned, yes it can be the best place in the world to live, but so is anywhere else. It depends on the measuring yardstick of individuals and performance indicators used to dertermine peoples ideals and priorities. Unfortunatley, at the moment the majority of Pakistanis are driven by money. The more you've got, the better your lifestyle, the less you've got, the more you want out of the chopra. Just like anywhere else my friend.

Convince me to permanently live in Pakistan. Come on convince me?

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However it may not change the ranting of UK aloo store residents.

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I'm glad to hear REAL Pakistanis are not like their UK Aloo store residents.

Edit: Deleted my post

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..... if the Taliban ....would call it a day and then backstab the Government after accepting their deal once they were strong enough to re-emerge. ....
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Still hoping for more death and destruction in Afghanistan. Aren't you satisfied with 25% Afghans already dead? Read the book "Fire" by Sebastian Junger to see the terrible toll on Afghanis. Baba! Let them live in peace and let Talibobs become useful Afghans again. Will ya?

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....Convince me to permanently live in Pakistan. Come on convince me?
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Baba! Stay in UK please. We do not want anymore Talibob supporters back in Pak. In fact create some more space in the aloo store to accommodate another shipment of Tali+Arra bobs.

Antiobl

The chapters in the book Fire by Sebastian Junger are reprinted articles some outdated in information and some redundant in their research. Where did you get the 25% death toll figure from?

Secondly, even if we did own and run an aloo store, we'd be proud of our heritage and work ethics. Can you say the same? I doubt it.

You couldn't convince someone like me to live in Pakistan despite singing it's praises, so how you gonna convince anyone else?

Just so that I can burst your bubble, I don't need invites from people like you to live to Pakistan. In case you didn't realise it, but nowadays you can literally buy yourself a Visa or Residency to any country in the world to live in. We've got plenty of interest in Pakistan, both business and personal. Next time, don't sell a product without being able to back it up!

So you see, the Aloo stores do pay off. But then so does the Multi National Company which owns the Distribution Centres, Retail Outlets and Clothing Labels.

Go figure.

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.....So you see, the Aloo stores do pay off. ...
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May Allah swt bless you with more aloos (bigger and better). However please refrain from supporting Talibobs and stop listening to the Mullahtic idiotics.

They are injurious to your health (even in UK), and really bad for aloo business.

Antiobl

The aloos and Mullahs sure didn't stop you from swimming for the Green Card?

If you had eaten all your aloos, you'd have a decent carbohydrate level built up by now and if you had listened to the Mullahs, you'd be on the straight path by now and not like someone wandering the desert confused and lost searching for the oasis in midday July!

See Ya.

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Antiobl

The aloos and Mullahs sure didn't stop you from swimming for the Green Card?

If you had eaten all your aloos, you'd have a decent carbohydrate level built up by now and if you had listened to the Mullahs, you'd be on the straight path by now and not like someone wandering the desert confused and lost searching for the oasis in midday July!

See Ya.
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Sorry bud! It is now getting personal. I am better off staying in Pakistan so I'll just recite my favorite verses and say good bye to your fascination with Nuki-Gods.

La-Aabodo, Ma Taabdoon
(I don't believe in the use of Nuki-God the way you believe)

wala antum aabidoon ma aabud
(You don't believe in peace, love, and prosperity the way I believe)

wala ana aabd maa abudtum
(And I won't follow your fascination with Nuki-God)

wala antum aabdoon ma aabud
(and you won't understand my emphasis on peace and love)

Lakum deenkum, waliya deen
(you take your path to Nuki-God, and let me stay on my path of peace and prosperity)

Antiobl

If you had listened to the Mullahs, the correct translation would of been:

Surah 109. The Disbelievers, Atheists

  1. Say : O ye that reject Faith!

  2. I worship not that which ye worship,

  3. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

  4. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,

  5. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

  6. To you be your Way, and to me mine.

Next time, I suggest you quote with Tajweed and not emotions.(do you see Nuki God in the translation)?

I thought not.

you invented lies about allah made up what ever you wish as meaning of quran?

verily fire is waiting arrogant liars in the hereafter may allah save the muslims from such fire and send all the hypocrite men and women in there.

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Ameen.

hmmmmm...and i always thought i am mod of World Affairs forum.....did not know it was actually the Religion forum..........well done guys.....

Your Welcome..............

PD: Read my mind. The post was on Taliban calling it quits etc. What I got out was aloos, total disregard of surah 109, etc.

Sometimes, you just gotta go with the flow..... and be sidetracked temporarily. But as long as you come back on track by nightfall?

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Sometimes, you just gotta go with the flow..... and be sidetracked temporarily. But as long as you come back on track by nightfall?
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there you go my man.....

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PD: Read my mind. The post was on Taliban calling it quits etc. What I got out was aloos, total disregard of surah 109, etc.
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I thought you were smart enough to get the message. Anyone can open up the translation and post it here.

Some Arrabob fanatics have definitely forgotten our Allah of peace and mercy, by taking up false gods of nuclear arms.

Taliban have to quit as they have understood the price of militancy and anarchy. Unfortunately the residents of UK (so far from the actual war fronts) are hell bent on bringing death and destruction to the hapless Afghanis.

This is what Allah wanted to avoid, the death and destruction of Muslims. With great sadness here I see people have picked up false gods like nuclear bombs.

They are treating the nukes as their source of salvation and protection. Nay, only my peaceful Allah and His Messenger pbuh are the path of salvation. Anyone treating biological, chemical, or nuclear weapons as their gods, is lost in this world and the world hereafter. May Allah save us from these Mullhatic idiotics and keep Afghanistan safe from the Talibobs.

mods: you may see these people making fun of peace and tolerance. It is OK, they are following the way of anarchist and trouble makers. Allah will keep them in hell over here and the hell in the next world.

Can we keep Allah swt out of the world forum for once. Allah has nothing to do with Taliban calling it quits. That connection has been disconnected. I know I am Verizon.