We should not assume.

I don’t live in Pakistan but I know what it is like, maybe not more than you but I know.

There is this concept in Pakistan and everywhere around the world that the people study deen, learn Quran..etc are “pathetic” “worthless” “jobless” etc.

We think that those people who stay in the masjids have no knowledge of the “outside” world.

We should not assume such stupid things. We should stop and actually go in the masjids and see for ourselves what is this love that they are after. InshAllah, we will fall in love with the deen too.


On the other hand, the people who study deen should have knowledge of what is going on in the outside world just to the extent that they are aware and not blinded of the facts.
The concept of sending the kid to the madrassa so he can be hafiz of Quran is not so that he recites beautifully. He has to learn what the Quran says too.

That’s all I had to say, tell your views.

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A person who is studying in mudrassahs are taught not to question Quran, Hadees or Sunnah. Which to me is very unhealthy, without questioning the authenticity how would you know if all is authentic.

I personally think everything Islam was supposed to be a common man's religion but it is definately not so. I ask lot of questions (and I believe that there is no thing in this world as stupid question).
But I see so many times the religious people on the forum when they cannot answer something they just say "because it is so". Well this answer tells me either the religious people are really naive and simple or they are afraid to ask the questions themselves and just are happy with this explanation of "it is so".

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assumptions are made to make our lives easier. nobody wants to face the complications of looking at each situation in its context.
alot of assumptions are made by those studying in madrassahs as well (and this is not an assumption :D )

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cricketplaya good post but a little confusing, a few points

No person is worthless, but what people turn up their noses at is that many children studying in madrasses come from poor families and could not get regular education. In some cases madrassas basically pay for all their expenses and the kids are not a financial drain on the family.

The other group is kids who go to regular schools and attend madrassa to learn to read quran and religious education.

Then you have the people who could have really gone for anything but chose to study religion, and got o higher institutions of learning where they really learn a lot. They are a different category.

Now as far as kids in madrassas go, an avg madrassa does not have a computer, does not teach comparative religion or world cultures or even world history, arts and sciences or mathematics (some teach very basic math)

If someone is unhappy with general state of madrassas or has concerns over what is being taught there, does not automatically mean that the person is anti deen.

One group 1 I will say that the children being taken care of in madrassas are there because there are very few other options for these kids. If families cant really afford to take care of them, either they end up in a bonded labour situation (yes it still happens), or they just join the family trade, or go do odd jobs, anything to survive, but not get any sort of education.

When ppl like you or I criticize madrassas, we must realize that they are filling a gap, an unmet need that our govt, and our society at large failed to do anything about. Why are there not many state or charity funded regular schools where kids can live and study, like they do in madrassas? Its our failure as a nation. As much as I scream against clergy and mullahs, atleast they are doing something about it. In this area forces with specific agendas have used these kids to become violent, narrow minded, warriors of faith… but remember they were kids, with no one to take care of them, and sadly they ended up in the arms of forces who wanted to use them as their foot soldiers.

Aside from madrassas being supported and run in a way to create wave after wave of zealots, the rest of the madrassas try to do their best in the limited view of their organizers, and the limited resources that they have. I think that madrassas are a grassroots type of movement that instead of abolishing, if we just expand their scope, regulate them, and support them more from govt and private sources, they can be pretty good. It will also provide us more balanced, productive citizens.

Its sad, many of us at one time or another (I am very guilty of it) noted the narrow minded zealots coming out of many of the madrassas, but you know what, just a handful of years ago these were kids without a future, without a direction and without anyone who was going to do jack for them. So someone took them under their wings, and knowingly or unknowingly there were results as the extremists, or ill informed clrgy who would then go and keep this vicious circle going.

We failed these kids, they were not our problem or so we thought. The problem remained, it just vanished from our radars for a bit and now we are posed with a different problem.

We need to wake up.

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Don't you think you didn't learn the lesson you are preaching? :)

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Great post Mr. Fraudia.
My hats off the the madrassas. I don't question them but rather give my opinion on what there is needed more of. (example: education)

Light Bearer, I don't know about Pakistan but it's not about the questioning of our deen. It's about learning the deen, the proofs behind it, the meaning behind it.etc.
Questioning is a part of learning/seeking knowledge and we should do that fully but not to the extent that it pushes us off the track. AND I bet there isn't one single Alim on this board so you cannot assume, LB. ;)

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I have learnt the lesson last year.

Sorry if the post didn't make sense. I was saying that the madrassas should also teach other things to increase the knowledge and work the mind.

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cricketplaya

I agree, madrassas should teach more, so it becomes or responsibility as a nation to develop the right curriculum, and then provide the resources to madrassas to teach. Its not just a matter of telling them they need to teach math or social sciences, its also a question of who is qualified to teach it and do madrassas have access to it.

Even if it is some sort of volunter program where college and university kids go and teach these, like they used to do NCC it could be a start.

What is needed is a real planned effort in this area.

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InshAllah.

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yeah man its a pity.